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    • oliveoilO
      oliveoil @thebodyelectric_
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      @thebodyelectric_ It lasts for a while, but it doesn't fix the underlying issue. Dark chocolate has pretty amazing properties.

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      • thebodyelectric_T
        thebodyelectric_ @yerrag
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        @yerrag And how did you do that 🙂 . Actively reduce your fungal load that is , hehe.

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          jamsey
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          Gentian violet is an old treatment used for thrush in babies and breastfeeding mothers. Supposedly particularly effective for thrush but the downsides include purple staining of the mouth/tongue for at least a few days and some concerns for safety were raised somewhat recently, but not sure how legitimate they are.

          https://zero.sci-hub.st/4069/234469f8ed59d7f63c81faee58c9b3bc/faber1925.pdf?download=true

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          • yerragY
            yerrag @thebodyelectric_
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            @thebodyelectric_

            I used artemisia annua extract or turpentine or suppositories made of essential oils that have antifungal properties. Not together, but separately.

            The art annua extract I made mixing 700mg of gin with dried artemisia annua (as fresh ones are not available) in a bucket covered in newspaper of sackcloth to allow it to breathe over 10 days, after which I will strain the liquid. I would take 35ml each day over a week or two.

            For turpentine, I would take a teaspoon of it poured over a teaspoon of brown sugar (or a cube of it if available) and down it with water. For a week or two.

            Using a suppository I would use it for a week. It is more involved as I had to order suppository molds and a few organic essential oils.

            Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
            engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
            wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
            the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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            • CO3C
              CO3 @yerrag
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              @yerrag Fungal and bacterial white tongue are simply different things. and it's easy to differentiate. Google it!!!!

              Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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              • yerragY
                yerrag @CO3
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                @CO3 If you could write a sentence to explain it briefly, and post a link that would spare me the hassle of using Google. I don't trust it and give Google search results to hand me an answer that involves some sort of semblance of truth.

                Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                • CO3C
                  CO3 @yerrag
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                  @yerrag In general I can tell you: it's bacterial. It almost always is.

                  People like the idea of having a 'fungal' infection. This is the commodification of disease. People love having something cool. They think they're in a zombie movie.

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                  Took me 10 seconds to find. Nothing conspiratory about it. Oral thrush is easy to identify. White coating caused by bacterial activity (sometimes turns slightly yellow, smells bad, there's no empty spots on it etc) is actually harder to solve. Candida can probably be nuked by simply taking sulphur.

                  Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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                  • yerragY
                    yerrag @CO3
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                    @CO3 I respect your belief in what Google can easily find for you and you being given to accept it. It's much easier to believe something that is well illustrated by a great graphic designer.

                    But I can only share what I discover myself, and I will say it is anecdotal, and that it is my experience, and I won't force fit you into my experience. I won't pretend to tell you that it "almost always" is fungal- as I can only make myself less credible in my being presumptuous.

                    Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                    engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                    wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                    the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                    • CO3C
                      CO3 @yerrag
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                      @yerrag I found all this out through my own experience, as I've had both conditions and it's very simple to differentiate if you're not an American whose brain is wrecked by advertisements and the trauma of circumcision. I've made posts on twitter outlining the differences using my own photographs. It would just be useless to use them since I would have to look for them and the same information is to be found on Google. You think it's all a big conspiracy? When they diagnose oral thrush they're just making something up, there's no fungus to be found or when they do, it was planted by a federal agent?

                      You're dirt stupid. I would rather die than live one day with a brain as useless as yours. Go fuck yourself.

                      Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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                      • thebodyelectric_T
                        thebodyelectric_ @CO3
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                        @CO3 I'm crying at brain wrecked by "trauma of circumcision", haha.

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                        • thebodyelectric_T
                          thebodyelectric_ @CO3
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                          @CO3 In my experience penicillin can get rid of it rather immediately, but then comes a point where it doesn't and then I have to not take it for a while and then it will get rid of it again but it always comes back so is just curious and trying to figure it out. It also seems to coincide with dandruff. Both things that I've never had before until I got them and they just haven't gone away for a while though they do ebb and flow.

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                          • CO3C
                            CO3 @thebodyelectric_
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                            @thebodyelectric_ yeah it's similar for me. what keeps the white tongue at bay is scraping, oil pulling and cleaning molars with waterpik. But there's a more foundational reason. Do you eat liver often?

                            Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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                            • thebodyelectric_T
                              thebodyelectric_ @CO3
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                              @CO3 I don't really. I think perhaps I don't eat it often enough? I eat chicken livers probably every other month or so, sometimes more and sometimes less.

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                              • CO3C
                                CO3 @thebodyelectric_
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                                @thebodyelectric_ I think we both probably have Toxin A deficiency

                                Master Broth Recipe: https://twitter.com/thesquattingman/status/1737526599023526043 / https://recipeats.org/master-broth/

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                                • yerragY
                                  yerrag @yerrag
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                                  @CO3
                                  Now now, calm down.

                                  Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                  engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                  wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                  the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                                  • The New SunT
                                    The New Sun
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                                    @CO3 @thebodyelectric_

                                    I have been looking for a solution as well. I made great strives by using some tools like carrot, button mushrooms, aspirin, doxy and penicillin-vk, avoiding starch. I made a big mistake by consuming a huge amount of white rice for a few days and it seems the intestinal bacteria has made a huge comeback.

                                    I had stress/bruxism problems that disappeared a few months ago and they seem to have come back after the giga-starch consumption. I went for max dose cypro to curb the cortisol loop. Eating lots of mushrooms as well. But I think it might be useful to have a different approach.

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                                    It might be useful to go the herbal route for a bit, it has shown to be more effective than some antibiotic treatments. This is one aspect I am considering, just need to source which herb(s) to use and in what formulation/protocol.

                                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4030608/

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                                    • ?
                                      A Former User @PrinceMyshkin
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                                      @PrinceMyshkin said in White tongue:

                                      I've tried the carrot salad, well cooked white button mushrooms and activated charcoal, but the white tongue persists. Only thing I haven't tried is low dose antibiotics but it seems excessive to try that just to get rid of the white tongue. Any thoughts?

                                      Candida?
                                      Riboflavin Targets the Cellular Metabolic and Ribosomal Pathways of Candida albicans In Vitro and Exhibits Efficacy against Oropharyngeal Candidiasis

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                                        allnighter @PrinceMyshkin
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                                        @PrinceMyshkin I have the same thing, started to happen about 7 years ago. I did notice increasing sensitivities to deodorants a little bit before the white tongue started to appear. Maybe 2 years after the white tongue I started to notice indentations around the tongue (scalloped tongue). Also, I tended to breath out of my mouth when sleeping and noticed my mouth became very dry and couldn't do that any longer.

                                        I'm not sure what causes the white tongue, but might be related to mouth dryness.

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                                          Ruben
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                                          I've seb derm on my scalp and a white tongue. It seems to get worse when sleep is off. The remedies I've come across recently are: chewing clove, tongue scraping, MCT/coconut oil pulling/eating, anti candida supplements with loads of herbs like oregano etc, proper hygiene in general and avoiding starches. I notice some improvement with MCT oil, but will report back when I've tried it for a longer period of time.

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                                          • the MOUSET
                                            the MOUSE Banned @CO3
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                                            @CO3 i get this every morning, can scrape it off and tongue is red in day but it returns overnight. i think its sibo, esp i get herxheimer like reactions when i take antimicrobial stuff like coconut oil. do you have tips how to smartly tackle this? im trying to figure out how to get sterile small intestine while preserving large intestine bacteria; large intestine bacteria i think is very important, losing it could cause lactose, carb intolerance/malabsorption, ibd. @S-Holmes think i remember u made some info similar to this once

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