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    Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child

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      zaaku @BeamsOfEnergy
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      @BeamsOfEnergy I don't think things can be looked at in isolation like that. I doubt a person with a failing energy metabolism, unable to converse with good energy, would be good at programming uniquely. Programming is after-all just talking to a computer in a language the computer understands. Might be reductionist but if you're good at a spoken language, you're likely good at programming too.

      John Carmack is another example of a high-output programmer who has a high metabolism too fueled by 9 cokes a day.

      Consumption vs creation seems to be the main distinction causing the low energy metabolism in my opinion. Excessive consumption leads to high serotonin I think which starts the cascade of hibernation vs creation being a dopaminergic activity. If computers are a bicycle for the mind, then they essentially act as a force multiplier for your habits.

      In my health journey, I've gone from being unable to do mental work for 5 minutes without a stress reaction to being able to work 2 hours at a stretch before needing a snack. I think working on a computer (coding, making music, designing etc) is really energy intensive. Combined with poor nutrition it just completely obliterates a person's health.

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        zaaku @A Former User
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        @questforhealth The only thing I miss about a low metabolism is not having to eat so damn much all the time. Life was simpler. I've just started feeling like a super fast well-oiled high energy machine. On a scale of 1 to 10, if my metabolism was at 1 or 2 before I started peating, it's at a 4 or 5 after a year and I already feel indescribably better. I'm wondering how much better it can really get. Can it reach Jacob Collier levels? Let's see!

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          A Former User @zaaku
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          @zaaku

          Of course it can reach those levels.

          Once I fix my anemia and get my dopamine up then I can get testosterone and dht up and the real magic happens.. I KNOW it will happen, there is no stopping this train now.

          I’ll maybe make a video if anything.. we will see

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            A Former User @A Former User
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            @questforhealth

            Also wondering about DHT vs T but i’m not a a level of health where i can become more masculine, HOWEVER it seems all fruits and veg block DHT, after all we all know the stereotype of the ‘meat and potatoes’ vs someone who eats fruit... We will see

            Maybe as i’m young and still developing i should just do no fibre, potatoes, organs, meat, butter and beef tallow diet... Surely dht needs to be high for proper development along with thyroid

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              Insr @zaaku
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              @zaaku Good points. I like the idea that computer use is super energy intensive and if you don't nutritionally support yourself, you'll do poorly. That makes sense to me. From my e-ink experience, I do believe it's the LCD screen that's burning through your brain energy like that. I don't feel tired at all after a full day on E-Ink. I definitely felt tired and frazzled after a full day on my LCD.

              It reminds me of how people with concussions sometimes become unable to use LCD screens due to instantly getting migraines from them. Implies that a non-concussed person's brain is constantly doing Something when looking at a screen, and when that unknown Something isn't being done due to a damaged brain, you instantly get a migraine. Whatever that thing is, it's going to take energy.

              Maybe it's like looking at a paper through intentionally cross-eyed lenses so your eyes are always working to resolve the image - wouldn't you get a headache after 20 minutes of that? And someone with damage to the eye controlling region of the brain might be unable to resolve the image and might get a headache in seconds.

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                pittybitty @Insr
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                @insufferable The blue light thing is really not that complicated. Darkness induces stress, both red and blue light are protective against this stress. Red light causes Triptophan be converted to Melatonin, blue light does the opposite. Melatonin controls the "phase" of your day/night cycle, the further along the night you are the higher your melatonin. It's not that blue light is "bad", it's just that red light is the only way to have the protective effects of light while still maintaining a natural melatonin progression and thus day/night cycle.

                Regarding e-ink I think what you are mostly noticing (aside from maybe better sleep) is the psychological, rather than metabolical effects of color. Internet constantly demands your attention, in part through the use of color and movement, if more of those elements get eliminated you will be less distracted by it.

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                  pittybitty
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                  Another thing that I think is often overlooked in regard to light is the intensity of it, our perception of light is logarithmic, something that is 10 times as bright is just 3 "steps" brighter to our eyes. This makes us pretty bad at judging about how much light actually hits our body. An 100 lumen light won't have much effect on our chemical or electric balance, but a 10000 lumen light absolutely will

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                    basebolt @zaaku
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                    A bioenergetic miracle. I went from years of severe sloth to super metabolism perfect feeling. It was from 500 mg niacin for a few days. Then it stopped working. It is my goal to get it back. 95% of people have the in-born ability to achieve this near perfect health, in my opinion.

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                      Insr @pittybitty
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                      @pittybitty said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                      @insufferable The blue light thing is really not that complicated. Darkness induces stress, both red and blue light are protective against this stress. Red light causes Triptophan be converted to Melatonin, blue light does the opposite. Melatonin controls the "phase" of your day/night cycle, the further along the night you are the higher your melatonin. It's not that blue light is "bad", it's just that red light is the only way to have the protective effects of light while still maintaining a natural melatonin progression and thus day/night cycle.

                      Regarding e-ink I think what you are mostly noticing (aside from maybe better sleep) is the psychological, rather than metabolical effects of color. Internet constantly demands your attention, in part through the use of color and movement, if more of those elements get eliminated you will be less distracted by it.

                      That's interesting about blue vs red light effects, thanks.

                      I want to stay firmly in the holistic with the screen thing though. Looking into a lit up computer screen is just a totally different thing than looking at physical ink on paper or looking at the sky or trees or whatever. For example, you could switch your screen's LED backlight with a red light panel and stare into your bright red screen all day, and I think you would feel almost as bad as the normal screen makes you feel.

                      I agree that internet distraction is bad but I've done long days on my LCD working with text only (almost all black and white) with very little distracting internet browsing, and still felt super drained at the end. But on my E-Ink device, I can even watch videos and click around, and still feel very good at the end of the day.

                      So I feel something like this:

                      dopamine depletion levels:
                      level 10 - aimless clicking around on an LCD
                      level 8 - reading a book offline on an LCD
                      level 1 - aimless clicking around on E-Ink
                      level 0 - reading a book on E-Ink

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                        Creuset @Insr
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                        @insufferable said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                        I agree that internet distraction is bad but I've done long days on my LCD working with text only (almost all black and white) with very little distracting internet browsing, and still felt super drained at the end. But on my E-Ink device, I can even watch videos and click around, and still feel very good at the end of the day.

                        Have you ever tried used an app like f.lux to reduce the blue light emitted by your screen? Would be interested to know if you would feel the same as when using your E-ink screen.

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                          Insr @Creuset
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                          @Creuset said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                          @insufferable said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                          I agree that internet distraction is bad but I've done long days on my LCD working with text only (almost all black and white) with very little distracting internet browsing, and still felt super drained at the end. But on my E-Ink device, I can even watch videos and click around, and still feel very good at the end of the day.

                          Have you ever tried used an app like f.lux to reduce the blue light emitted by your screen? Would be interested to know if you would feel the same as when using your E-ink screen.

                          That would be a good experiment. I've never tried leaving flux on all day. I used to have it set on max in the evenings and it certainly works very well for allowing sleepiness to occur at the appropriate time. I'll try a full day on LCD but with maxxed flux the whole time and report back.

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                            Comstock @Insr
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                            @insufferable said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                            I have a Dasung Paperlike. It pretty much looks like old time black and white newspapers I guess. 99% of the time I feel no desire to turn on my LCD monitor.

                            Can you watch videos on it?

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                              A Former User
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                              Can someone help me out im shitting 5-6 times a day this is just getting stupid now? Is this bad? I feel good but it seems a bit overkill?

                              Im starting to wonder if more plant based is better and maybe add in gelatinous cuts of meat slowly some time in the future because im dealing with inflammation from red meat and milk

                              Strongest I have ever been has been eating plant based.

                              Im thinking to start with potatoes for low inflammatory amino acids and some BCAA??? As well as good nutrients and minerals if grown in good soil.. Then add some cocoa butter or coconut oil. and so on. Like an elimination diet but mostly plants but I'd eat meat if I craved it. Definitely need more potatoes as of now though. Potatoes are magic

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                                Chud @zaaku
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                                @zaaku said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                Jacob Collieresque

                                this guy is a total fag and his music is shit but im so jealous of his hair fuckkkk

                                breakfast for dinner enjoyer

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                                  Insr @Comstock
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                                  @Comstock Yeah! My paperlike 3 is good enough for any video I've watched. I don't really notice the lower frame rate. Displaying videos wears it out faster apparently, but I think that's over the course of years.

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                                    Insr @Creuset
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                                    @insufferable said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                    @Creuset said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                    @insufferable said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                    I agree that internet distraction is bad but I've done long days on my LCD working with text only (almost all black and white) with very little distracting internet browsing, and still felt super drained at the end. But on my E-Ink device, I can even watch videos and click around, and still feel very good at the end of the day.

                                    Have you ever tried used an app like f.lux to reduce the blue light emitted by your screen? Would be interested to know if you would feel the same as when using your E-ink screen.

                                    That would be a good experiment. I've never tried leaving flux on all day. I used to have it set on max in the evenings and it certainly works very well for allowing sleepiness to occur at the appropriate time. I'll try a full day on LCD but with maxxed flux the whole time and report back.

                                    I was on my LCD all morning (about 5 hours) with flux at 1200K (so red that blues don't really display) Throughout I was sitting by my window and periodically looking at the daylight, as usual. So the screen was the only difference.

                                    • I noticed my eyes feeling not too great after about 15 minutes
                                    • To think about something, I had to kind of take a moment to bring it into my brain, especially true while i was looking at the screen. I would say i had and have some mild brain fog.
                                    • I was more lazy and found myself having kind of browsed through text documents for an hour instead of truly being productive and just doing the stuff to be done.
                                    • I do feel tired and a bit burnt out.
                                    • My eyesight is now a bit blurrier
                                    • Even an hour afterwards, including with time spent outside, I was a bit forgetful and made some cognitive errors (walking to the wrong place to get something)
                                    • However, though I do feel brain fog, I would say i feel less brain fog than i did back when i used to look at the non-flux LCD screen. So either flux does help somewhat or I'm kind of "stocked up" on dopamine from all my e-ink usage.
                                    • Also with flux I don't feel immediately visually "assaulted" by the screen's light the way i do when i look into a non-flux screen blasting light at me.

                                    So an LCD with flux on and maxed out feels better than an LCD without flux, but not as good as E-Ink.

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                                      Kilgore @A Former User
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                                      @questforhealth said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                      Can someone help me out im shitting 5-6 times a day this is just getting stupid now? Is this bad? I feel good but it seems a bit overkill?

                                      Yes, thats bad but what do you actually eat?
                                      Definitely should add potatoes.

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                                        A Former User @Kilgore
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                                        @Kilgore

                                        I've been eating lots of fruits, apples, kiwi, banana, potatoes, sorghum porridge and rabbit meat, mutton, bone broth etc... Also gelatin sometimes and decaf coffee. also organs from sheep

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                                          Comstock @Insr
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                                          @insufferable Nice!

                                          Love your testosterone charts btw.

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                                            Insr @Comstock
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                                            @Comstock said in Metabolism: sloth to a dopaminergic child:

                                            @insufferable Nice!

                                            Love your testosterone charts btw.

                                            Thanks!

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