Any experiences with DHT supplementation?
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Interested in starting a low dose just as an anti-stress measure and maybe improve gym progress. Wondering if anyone here has had good or bad experiences with it.
Literature appears to show only a 50% LH suppression and similar suppression of T and Estrogen at 250mg/day doses
Maybe a 50% LH cut isn’t too bad even if I quit the DHT abruptly because my T is already at a decent level to start?
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I went up from half to full 25mg tablets of proviron a day before, it had its pros and cons. Libido and energy was high, but so was my aggressiveness and argumentativeness. I don't think I was stressed, just had it in me a greater tendency to "stand up for myself". After awhile there was a diminishing returns on both pros and cons, where I felt a decent energy increase but didn't have any drawbacks.
I honestly haven't read too much on DHT otherwise
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Be prepared to be underwhelmed if you're using DHT for gym gains. It's more of a "dryer" and "leaner" than a anabolic.
You can't really rely on LH as a sign of suppression when taking DHT. Most of DHT's inhibitory effects are on gonadotropin-releasing hormone in the hypothalamus.
As seen here, the minimal impact on LH did not prevent a decrease in T and E2.
If you want good DHT levels while also getting some anabolism I recommend taking topical testosterone, and some inhibit-E for estrogen control.
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@anabology If literature is showing a 50% LH suppression at 250mg/day doses then I don't think you even need to worry about suppression when coming off. What dosages are you thinking of using?
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I’ve tried a DHT cream, applied to my genitals, my pecs to reduce gyro, my navel, and overall I had a positive experience. My mood was elevated, it definitely reduced the gyno look, looked much leaner, longer flaccid length, I definitely rate it’s use but the effects of it pretty much stop not longer after it’s use.
I’ve also tried anavar, which was at at low dose like 10-12mg. And that wasn’t as pleasant, was feeling high blood pressure symptoms. 10mg is supposed to be a low dose for anavar, so I wasn’t expecting much, just wanted to see how my body would go, so I’m not sure how I would go if I was to do the typical dose of 20-25mg.
But yeah i think the topical DHT, which is bioidentical I presume, is the way to go. -
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@metabolicmilk Probably going to start with 50mg and see how I feel. Main thing is stress resistance -- have a difficult job.
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@TopicalsOnBalls said in Any experiences with DHT supplementation?:
You had me at longer flaccid lol. Are you circumcised? The loss of tissue definitely causes shortening.
I also have some gyno as well. Been applying androsterone to the area but not consistently. Is this advisable?
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@CO2-Maxi nah my foreskin remains intact, the dht cream just made it not look like I had a cold shower.
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@anabology Did you ever end up trying this? If so how did it turn out?
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Less obvious response to a DHT product than I get from androsterone dosed lower by mg. Also more suppression.
Though, I'm fairly sure that the DHT product I got is a scam and has something else entirely in it.
Regardless, I would recommend androsterone for raising DHT. It does not seem to be suppressive, and in fact I get the impression that it elevates my natural production of steroids via its thyroid-like action. -
@saturnuscv What product did you get? Russian star/Titanchem?
In low doses DHT doesn't cause suppression either and in fact it stimulates its own synthesis. Not to say that suppression is necessarily a bad thing especially from DHT, as the suppression of E it causes can be beneficial, and also DHT doesn't damage the testes.
That said i like androsterone too, i get mostly a gaba effect from it, plus it smells very nice -
@pannacottas No it was a popular quote-on-quote "supplier" from Xitter who advertises very heavily to peatosphere folks with testimonials, bloodwork, etc. I won't say exactly who because I got harassed by randoms last time I made this claim. I'm not certain what exactly I got but it was very disappointing compared to haidut's androsterone, or even just pansterone, and this product was allegedly dosed much higher than what I have used of either of those.
It seemed simultaneously to be suppressive but not really apparent in effect, possibly just grossly underdosed. Or, I suppose it's possible that it was just testosterone in DMSO, which seems most likely to be honest.
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A neighbour has recently started topical DHT (+-10mg) on his chest and felt significantly stressed and tense by it.
The suspicion of higher PR or BP arose but both were consistently the same as before DHT.
There's considerable research showing DHT increases arterial stiffness and pulse wave velocity. Perhaps this issue could be the case here because of how it feels and PR and BP being normal.
The instructions say to apply it on the thorax or abdomen. But perhaps the thorax really is not the best place.
Topical application on the lower abdomen reportedly does not bring about these tense and stressful cardiovascular sensations. -
@CrumblingCookie if he's getting those effects from only 10mg then that is weird. Many people take upwards of 100mg and are just fine
