4chan on Peat
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Fasting is currently the only known intervention that successfully elongates life. It is not a bad thing at all.
I've seen retards think that because hypothyroid people can gain weight on low-calorie diets that that means CICO is bunk. CICO is a physical law, what you're trying to say is that BMR needs to be taken into account and that certain foods significantly affect metabolism (i.e. CO varies). In practice diets targeting weight loss tend to perform about the same and the vast majority of people have a predictable BMR. Hence as long as they restrict calories they lose weight, whatever it is that they eat.
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@beastliboi Fasting extends life by not being alive.
If you don't use your body, sure it is going to deteriorate more slowly but you don't really do more living.
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@pittybitty You're ironically presenting a view opposite to that of Ray Peat i.e. the wear-and-tear point of view.
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@beastliboi said in 4chan on Peat:
Fasting is currently the only known intervention that successfully elongates life.
Factually incorrect. Living at higher elevation prolongs life. Increasing NAD prolongs life. In animals, lowering the bacterial load prolongs life. TO the contrary, certain types of fasting actually decrease lifespan. As recently reported, intermittent fasting.
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@Mulloch94 It is not. All other interventions have a shabby scientific basis at best. It's pretty much all animal studies many of which don't even control for calorie intake. I don't care if say, fisetin elongates the life of mice. It is a terrible idea with a horrible track record to extrapolate from animal studies. There is nothing that comes close to caloric restriction.
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@beastliboi Cool story bro, now address what I actually said. Only animals huh?
"The results were quite clear -- the higher the altitude, the less likely you were of developing Metabolic Syndrome. Interestingly, using information about the participants' family history, the researchers could also assess if those more prone to this health problem also saw these benefits. "We found our results were independent of the genetic background of the individuals," reveals González-Muniesa."
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@beastliboi are you an athiest nihilist?
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@Mulloch94 It's hard to talk to people like you because that study is speculative at best. It's not even about longevity.
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@beastliboi It's hard to talk to me right now because you're just a dumbass. You're here to troll the forum, I've seen your other posts. First you said all other research was dubious because it was done in animals, which is definitively wrong. Now you're moving the goalposts because the data isn't an RCT. Not that would matter anyways. Not even sure how an RCT could be conducted about altitude living. Probably make it less accurate actually (due to the short-term nature of the trial).
Secondly, you claim fasting is the only way to improve longevity, also not entirely true. Certain types of fasting (like IF) is linked to early death. And three, avoiding metabolic syndrome and it's consequences (diabetes, obesity, CAD, etc.) does in fact contribute to longevity. Unless you think avoiding all the leading causes of death in the world isn't important. To which I'd say you have a funny definition of longevity. One that's quite different from mine.
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@beastliboi It is well known that fasting raises stress hormones
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@Ray-Van-Winkle According to Hans (Amato) serotonin in food is a non-issue because it gets degraded in the stomach and doesn't actually affect blood serotonin. I personally really enjoy bananas and they are a staple for me.
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@beastliboi “CICO” is a physical law that applies to closed systems, which the human body is not.
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@Sitaruim high serotonin post
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@Ray-Van-Winkle At least it wasn't a high retardation post...
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@Hando-Jin maybe that explains durianriders manic personality
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Raymond Peat is king.
