Ideas for knocking out "hidden" lymphatic bacterial infection
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Apparently, bacteria can hide from antibiotics quite well in the Lymph nodes.
If anyone has a proven or experimented method for resolving this, please share!
" Enterococcus gallinarum, a bacterium they discovered is able to spontaneously “translocate” outside of the gut to lymph nodes, the liver, and spleen." -
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/gut-bacteria-may-cause-all-autoimmune-conditions-antibiotics-can-cure.22983/It seems to take long 20+ week courses of antibiotics, and that often causes other problems.
I've experienced the anti-climatic results of a 2 week course of antibiotics completely knocking out all SIBO symptoms, and then it returning shortly not to go away.
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From Haidut in the rpf thread above, on additions to carry nutrients or antibiotics past the liver to the lymphs:
"I suspect a combination of monolaurine (or pure lauric acid) in combination with copper acetate could do the trick."
"A combination of vitamin E and phosphatidylcholine, both of which target the lymphs and tend to avoid the liver, should work well enough." - I'm gonna try this one. Will let everyone know. I'm almost not beyond using
"...dissolving some antibitoic in MitoLipin and/or Diamant (adamantane is also a lipophillic enhancer: The Lipophilic Bullet Hits the Targets: Medicinal Chemistry of Adamantane Derivatives) should work, especially for monolaurin which dissolves rather well in tocopherol."
Now, how the heck do I competently dissolve my antibiotic in vit E and phosphatidylcholine?
Maybe these are pharmacist questions...
Maybe I just dilute a crushed antibiotic in my carrier of choice (eg vitamin E), then let the excipients settle to the bottom, then poor off? this may not be a well measured or significant concentration...
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@LetTheRedeemed how’s your thyroid status? Broda Barnes talks frequently in two of his books I’ve read about the regularity of recurring infections in hypothyroid patients.
I know in the “Peat Sphere” thyroid gets spammed, but it’s not without reason. I myself used to get throat, and ear infections constantly, and it wasn’t until I began adopting many of the principles, (high carb diet, getting temps and pulse up, eliminating exhaustive exercise) that I began to go years without infections. Exercise was a big offender for me.
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@evan-hinkle Very good points to bring up here.
My temps and pulse are slowly rising with consistent use of cynomel and cynoplus for about 10ish months now.
In my case, this seems like a real back and forth battle, tho. Like, If I'm not doing perfect on all fronts, I get totally beat by a digestive issue and tongue coating + plaque gets out of control quickly. -
Once I get to be metabolically near optimal point, the body just ceases to becoming an easy ground for infections to develop. I've observed this with the cats I care for - though it's harder for me to test them for metabolic health. But outwardly, with their energy and their positive disposition, they show that the food I feed them are bearing good results. It becomes easier caring for them. Tick infestations just disappear. Their fur don't shed as often.
I see the Terrain Theory of Beauchamp as being my basis for good microbial health and more and more with each 'infectious illness" being dealt more along what I consider my own adaptation of Terrain Theory (given how Germ Theory and its wide and almost exclusive adoption has competitively excluded Terrain Theory, and I have to make do).
One aspect of metabolically optimal health is that acid-base balance is always present, along with blood sugar balance. These are IMHO two very simple tests that can easily do away with the many specific tests when one is short of funds for the many tests we have to undergo.
Because acid-base balance reflects the level of optimality in the way we produce energy, in which CO2 is abundant as a very effective pH buffer, we are in a pH where our microbiome are in balance. In balance, the microbes are all commensal and regulatory, each having a role to play in keeping our somatic cells in food working order.
This keeps our body from playing host to pathogens, which are just microbes that have morphed from commensal form, and become dominant - as a result of the poor acid-base balance in the body.
Without this prerequisite in place, any attempt to kill off infections will only be an endless battle with nature inside us. Not understanding the nature in us leads us to treat a simple manifestation of imbalance with outsize force with wrong weapons, and only feeds the conflict.
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Experiment:
1.) I'm using caprylic and lauric acid found in MCT oil, based on a Haidut quote referring to them as potent antibiotics. For the first 2 days, I took about a quarter teaspoon or less mixed with Greek yogurt, to mitigate digestive issues, and that has become untenable. I'm trying rubbing as much topically as I can, and will keep revisiting ingestion, however small a dose. Topically should be more effective as it bypasses the liver and goes strait to the blood stream, and since MCT oil is suspended in MCT oil it should have a 100% absorption rate
2.) I'm also using topical Methylene Blue (rub it in with water - you'd be surprised how quickly it's totally absorbed and the stain leaves - I re-rub the same stained spot on my arm with water throughout the day...
3.) Tonight, I'm gonna try adding D3 and Haidut's Estroban to the belly button for the antimicrobial activity of the fat soluble vitamins.
"Miracle Mineral Solution" (MMS) seems like a likely solution...
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@LetTheRedeemed trying to separate the antibiotic from the excipients like that would just be annoying. i get that excipients are le bad but i doubt it is worth messing up the dose trying to do that.
anyways you could dissolve the tablet in 95% grain alcohol and then mix it with the vitamin E. a little bit of olive oil probably helps if the mixture is too thick to stir even with alcohol.
mitolipin is super thick and annoying to try and get out of the bottle. regular tocovit comes out way easier.
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@noodlecat59 ooh good to know.
What would you say are optimum ratios of tocovit and grain alcohol to the crushed antibiotic? 1:1:1?
I know these are free answers so thanks for your kindness!
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@LetTheRedeemed whatever minimum amount alcohol dissolves the tablet then for the vit e idk probably not that much
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@noodlecat59 cool I’ll play around with it
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"Consequently, the effects of B species deficiency in the microbiota could be: (a) dysbiosis, an alteration in the symbiosis between the human/animal host and the microbiota; in our opinion, this is due to the lack of B, which results in the deficiency of the AI-2B signaling molecule; (b) increased intestinal permeability (known as “leaky gut syndrome”) and translocation of the IM from the gut lumen to the systemic circulation due to the lack of B in the structure of the mucin gel. From mucin separation techniques, the interaction of B with glycosylation sites within mucins and O-glycosylated linear glycoproteins is well known. B deficiency thus determines the interaction of the bacterial biofilm directly with the membranes of the host cell and, therefore, the infection of the host."
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Good luck!
It's easier said than done
But we all have to face the problem personally to know what the task ahead entails. I said my piece already earlier.
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The lympathic system requires movement to circulate the lympathic fluids. I have springtime allergies and use this massage to move the fluids in my sinuses. Here is routine that I use.
Self Lymph Drainage MassageObviously, the massage I use does not impact all of the lymph nodes in the body.
Alternatively, you might consider watching some dry brushing videos or bouncing on a rebounder.
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@DavidPS nice. Thanks a ton! I’ll check it out
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@yerrag hey thanks for the comment prior! Apologies for not having responded. The acid/base balance reminds me of the value of urea that I should probably add back in to my regiment
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@NNight very interesting. Thanks. I’ll look more into boron dosage…
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if you dont care to mess with the antibiotic pills straight away, maybe try high dose k2 mk4 (15mg+ plus depending on your weight). iirc georgi said that k2 mk4 could be dosed equivalently to things like doxycycline etc for the antimicrobial effect. so maybe you could even try like 100mg of k2 mk4 a day. i take 20mg k2 mk4 off and on and it feels antimicrobial in the way it cleans out the gut everytime i restart it.
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The use of urea internally only improves the liver, as past the liver it is metabolized. Moreover, urea does little to change the acid-base balance. Having acid base balance is largely a result of producing adequate amounts of CO2 as a product of mitochondrial metabolism. That goes to say that anaerobic glycolysis, which produces lactic acid, is minimized. Likewise with depending too much on fatty acid oxidation, which produces keto acids.
What can contribute to more acidity is how the body responds to toxins and infections, and in the intake of drugs, which is something a perfectly healthy body does not have to be burdened with.
What is normal and allowable is the intake of meat, which is acidic, but is something which the normal regulation of pH with the lungs and kidneys, is equipped to handle. Which would explain the urine being acidic during the day but becomes alkaline at night, as it is during the night that the body catches up with getting the acid-base balance back from the acidity incurred from eating meat.
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@yerrag interesting. I'm definitely eating things and supplementing things that should be promoting CO2 production and general pro-metabolic
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@noodlecat59 Oh cool. I'll definitely add that! about to make Georgi a rich man, lol
