Glucose loading cures everything?
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Does anyone have any experience with this?
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He just talks about glucose. Makes no mention of tissue oxygenation. Very one-dimensional thinking.
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@yerrag But it seems he is saying that by resetting your brain you'll restore normal function, meaning proper oxygenation of tissues as well. It does sound too good to be true, but as the perennial lab rat I'm going to test it out.
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I only went halfway as I was tired of listening to brain issues being all about glucose. I didn't get to the part about the brain resetting. What is involved in resetting the brain, if I may ask?
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I’ve been doing it for about two weeks now and have experienced many benefits. I’ve always had issues with oral health, but my teeth are strong and I have no sensitivity in my mouth since starting. My eyesight has improved, (not that it was ever bad, but it seems sharper and my eyes seem hydrated). My sleep is the biggest game changer. I’m someone who will often take an antihistamine once, maybe twice a week, and I seem to need none to have a deep restful sleep. I mean, falling asleep fast, not even turning over in my sleep, and waking up in the same position feeling refreshed. I’m also dreaming more frequently, (or at least remembering them more frequently). Oh, and my verbal fluency has improved dramatically. I seem to have much less brain fog. It’s been an incredibly rewarding experience.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Does anyone have any experience with this?
https://youtu.be/AiyoNM7OT7YThe video is quite long
So I didn’t viewCame here to say
If im making the correct assumption with the big idea
Peat spoke favorably of this idea
If I can find what im specifically referring to today
I will post hereBut here is a start:
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Foundational
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Peatful In that clip Ray's talking about the stress of hypoglycemia and that's something that can occur after a very large dose of plain glucose as the body overreacts following periods of hyperglycemia. In fact RP would promote fructose partly because it could suppress the blood glucose spike.
Thx
That’s not what im pointing out
The big takeaway
Besides stable blood sugar- which is paramount as well- but another conversationThe big takeaway is how essential sugar (which the body converts or uses and or stores as glucose)
is for not only thyroid function but liver function as wellBack on rpf
Lots of folks couldn’t wrap their head around white sugar being therapeutic or medicinal or healing or essentialFruit?
Sure
It has potassium blah blah blahEven in the Peat community
I saw white sugar avoidancePoint being
If some guy on a long video is singing the accolades of sugar -> glucose
This has been a foundation with Ray all along
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Peatful It is certainly Ray Peat themed protocol. I've read a lot of the posts on the forum where it's being promoted and it's incredible that nobody has mentioned this even though the forum is named after him. It's absurd.
Oh really?
They are touting this video or this guy’s work not Ray’s?
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@Peatful Exactly. Ray Peat doesn't even come up in the conversation. They've scrubbed him.
They never understood him.
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I haven't quite figured out how or why the brain downregulates sugar usage following every stress (any kind of stress). Stress seems to trigger lipolysis (vs glycolysis) and the damage is CUMULATIVE. Is this why stress kills? I've ordered his latest book. Hopefully he addresses this in depth.
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@S-Holmes said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
I haven't quite figured out how or why the brain downregulates sugar usage following every stress (any kind of stress). Stress seems to trigger lipolysis (vs glycolysis) and the damage is CUMULATIVE. Is this why stress kills? I've ordered his latest book. Hopefully he addresses this in depth.
Peat talk about this plenty
But not cohesively
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@Peatful Right, but I don't understand why the brain restricts it's own fuel consumption following a stress, and is never able to completely recover (without glucose loading).
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@evan-hinkle Thanks for the great report! Has the glucose loading caused any weight gain?
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What kind of problems did you have?
Do you then brush your teeth or rinse them after taking glucose?
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@S-Holmes no weight gain, in fact, a little lost recently, (5lbs) but I’ve added 800 calories… Ray always said carbs increase the metabolism!
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Why do so many athletes develop ALS? Multiple injuries can apparently trigger unrestrained, sustained lipolysis. So Georgi and Dr. Peat would probably agree with glucose loading. This is very interesting and provides solid info about what happens to the body when it experiences stress (any kind).
Thread 'ALS Tied To Increased Fat Oxidation (FAO), Increasing Glucose May Treat It' https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/als-tied-to-increased-fat-oxidation-fao-increasing-glucose-may-treat-it.29852/
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Another gem by Georgi
Thread 'Blood Sugar Is Controlled Mostly By The Brain, Not Pancreas' https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/blood-sugar-is-controlled-mostly-by-the-brain-not-pancreas.9858/
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@visalibero I’ve had cavities, (improved with vitamin k) and gum recession that hasn’t responded to antibiotics, (low dose longer term, tried doxy, penicillin, mino). Also my teeth tend to get soft no matter my calcium to phosphorus ratio.
The glucose makes them hard smooth and shiny. I don’t feel the need to brush right after because my oral heal feels improved directly by the glucose.
It’s crazy, but I’ve learned over the years to try things before I get too theoretically dogmatic. I was dogmatic about vegetables, chronic exercise, marijuana, and later veganism, and the lesson for me was: stop being dogmatic.
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@evan-hinkle I second that! Being a perennial lab rat you can't also be dogmatic. I keep an open mind about most therapies unless they obviously contradict what I have previously discovered to be true in my own experiments. Glucose loading is very Peaty and Dr. Peat (and Georgi) are my anchors.
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@Insomniac I do, I typically eat 2700-3000 calories, (it varies based on activity level). For instance I’m currently renovating a fixer-upper we bought last year. If I’m laying floors I may go to 4k calories. If I’m not doing any work that day I’m more in the 2700 range. The 800 new calories are in addition to my more typical 2700-3000.
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@S-Holmes totally agree. My framework is always “bioenergetic.” Does it improve temps, pulse, am I able to consume more, how’s my sleep, what’s my reaction to stress, etc.
With glucose it’s easy for me to imagine that poor digestion could be a limiting factor in conversion of carbohydrates to glucose. Add to this that I’ve had a history of concussions, and began loosing my hair when I had my first concussion at 16.
Peat frequently mentioned the role of the brain in holistic health, and even mentioned that it was one of the reasons why he chose vitamin E as a carrier for his hormone preparations, (its affinity for the brain).
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@evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
The glucose makes them hard smooth and shiny. I don’t feel the need to brush right after because my oral heal feels improved directly by the glucose.
Interesting.
Same with me and sugar. Or more of everything, and less water, or hypotonic anything. Which led me to think it might be osmotic. Some promising indications for it in search.
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
This is the video of Garrett calling Dr. Stephens a crook. It starts at the attack.
Thank you for timestamping that.
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@evan-hinkle Are/were you an athlete?
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@S-Holmes yep, American football…
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@evan-hinkle OMG. The most damaging team sport in the entire world. Do you still play?
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What does the approach you used with glucose consist of in practice?
so by inserting regular physical activity into your life and switching to a more vegan approach you feel better are you telling me?
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@S-Holmes no, I don’t, but I’m certain that I still live with the after effects of just a few years with it. I don’t personally think it’s coincidental that I lost my hair after my first diagnosed concussion at such a young age.
Lately I’m beginning to think that every time your helmet hits another helmet you probably get concussed. Just a pet theory of mine, but there’s a very unique feeling to a helmet on helmet impact vs say a helmet on shoulder pad impact.
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Exactly. Every hit likely has a negative and lasting impact. I'm hoping the glucose will reset your brain and health! I have been in car accidents (whiplash), fell on ice and whacked my head on concrete, and had a very stressful childhood. Two of my three sisters took their own lives. I could sure use a brain reset!
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@evan-hinkle said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@visalibero I’ve had cavities, (improved with vitamin k) and gum recession that hasn’t responded to antibiotics, (low dose longer term, tried doxy, penicillin, mino). Also my teeth tend to get soft no matter my calcium to phosphorus ratio.
The glucose makes them hard smooth and shiny. I don’t feel the need to brush right after because my oral heal feels improved directly by the glucose.
It’s crazy, but I’ve learned over the years to try things before I get too theoretically dogmatic. I was dogmatic about vegetables, chronic exercise, marijuana, and later veganism, and the lesson for me was: stop being dogmatic.
What product are you using for the glucose?
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@S-Holmes that’s what I find so appealing about this idea of glucose. We all experience this kind of stress, and it really seems like, (whether we’re talking about physical, emotional, or psychological stress) the outcomes are the same. It’s all so rooted in Peat, and Selye, and their frameworks.
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@evan-hinkle It IS! Now if I can just figure out how to increase my amount to therapeutic levels. I'll be drinking syrup! No way could I afford that many glucose tablets!
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@Sunniva I’m using nutricost dextrose powder. I got the 5lb tub, but I think next time I’ll get the 10lb one.
Other than thyroid vitamin E and occasional vitamin K/aspirin I’m not taking anything else. For me, that’s pretty incredible by itself.
I had a period of about a week where I ran out of cynomel and the glucose still kept me sleeping very well, and feeling overall better than I would normally without thyroid.
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@evan-hinkle I take a boatload of supplements. I may cut back and see what happens.
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@Insomniac so I listened to this with a somewhat open mind, (unfortunately I can’t help but judge this particular guy when I see/hear him - just something seems off putting to me) but it seems like he hasn’t actually listened to Dr Stephens, and I say this because Dr Stephens intends glucose to be a temporary therapy. Once you correct the effects of a glucose limiting injury you stop taking glucose. In the video, Smith says, maybe temporarily glucose could have a positive effect, (like filling glycogen stores) but long term any sugar powder is going to be bad. It seems to me, that this is exactly what Dr Stephens is suggesting… indicating that perhaps Smith has not looked too deeply into it.
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The protocol has merit, and is ironically becoming a full circle moment for the RPF. Dr. Stephens and Ray are touching in the same idea but from different perspectives.
It’s odd nobody considered dextrose years ago instead of blowing themselves up on table sugar.
As for Garrett, that’s his canned response for new ideas unless you drown him with research papers like what happened with niacin. He’s established his ecosystem and isn’t going to upset the apple cart.
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@Jaffe I’ve been thinking the same thing. Like the elephant in the room is this is essentially Peat’s work with a minor nuance. Loading glucose instead of fixing oxidative phosphorylation so you can make glucose without gluconeogenesis.
FWIW, I always had trouble with digestion, and so it just makes sense to me to take glucose directly. Though like usual, I’m sure Peat’s approach is more appropriate and obviously respectful to the elegance of life.
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I also have a history of sports related head trauma, terrible digestion, random mood swings, sub clinical hypothyroidism. My early experience with dextrose has been very promising.