Share positive experiences with eating liver
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There's been an anti liver sentiment in the health space in the latest years. That it causes VA toxicity, is thyroid suppressive, even Ray has admitted that hypothyroid people handle much lower intakes of VA.
it also seems like the people who fail on the Carnivore Diet all included liver in their diets, and the ones who succeed, don't eat liver/ organ meats.High VA Carnivore - health goes downhill
Low VA Carnivore - health goes uphillI want to eat liver more often for the nutrient density, since I am on high doses of thyroid and don't want to deplete my nutrients. But I can't say I feel better from eating it. On the contrary, my temps drop for a few days after eating it (chicken liver), a sign that it's thyroid suppressive for me, and that shouldn't be the case, since I am on 125 mcg T4 and 25-30mcg T3 daily.
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I was quick to subscribe to a 1 serving of beef liver per week regimen when I became an RPF member on 2016. No ifs and buts.
Last year, after an eye exam to renew my drivers license, I was told I no longer needed glasses to drive.
I did not expect this to happen. But I think having enough retinol in my diet and having enough CO2 in my system, as part of having good mitochondrial metabolism, made it easier to benefit from having retinol in my diet thru beef liver.
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The need for distance lenses has more to do with how much outdoor time you have and not staring at a screen for hours at a time. No matter your diet or supps you can regain distance vision through this. So we need to be careful ascribing vision acuity to vitamin A.
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@Janelle525 said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
The need for distance lenses has more to do with how much outdoor time you have and not staring at a screen for hours at a time. No matter your diet or supps you can regain distance vision through this. So we need to be careful ascribing vision acuity to vitamin A.
You're the expert.
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@yerrag would you say you substantially increased viewing distance since your introduction of Peaty foods?
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@yerrag I'm glad you mention this. I have gone many years with no worsening of my eyeglass rx- it even got slightly better. I was eating liver once or twice a month. I have not had any now for awhile- not sure why, maybe life got busy, I am the only one in my family that will eat it. I was just thinking I should start eating some again, and if my next eye exam has a change in my eyeglass rx, I most definitely will.
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I used it judiciously and like a supplement
To supplement my dietI cut off small capsule size pieces
Froze them
Then took them ~three times a weekThen
I had my fill
And have never felt the need to go backI think it is a wonderful way to meet micronutrient needs
The only way actually
No synthetic supplements for me anymore everAlways try liverwurst if repulsed by swallowing raw frozen liver
One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.
-DB
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@Janelle525 said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
The need for distance lenses has more to do with how much outdoor time you have and not staring at a screen for hours at a time. No matter your diet or supps you can regain distance vision through this. So we need to be careful ascribing vision acuity to vitamin A.
Lol
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
@yerrag would you say you substantially increased viewing distance since your introduction of Peaty foods?
That certainly was the case, but prior to my lifestyle change to eating liver once a week, I ditched my glasses because it was too difficult wearing bifocals and was hoping my eyesight would just improve because I was forcing my eyes to. So I was also having difficulty reading small type.
So I think ditching my glasses and eating liver both made my eyes see better correcting both my nearsightedness and the newly developed farsightedness of getting older.
n.b. My nearsightedness was uneven at 75 and 175 for the left and right eyes. I could still drive without glasses as my nearsightedness wasn't so bad.
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@Sunniva said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
@yerrag I'm glad you mention this. I have gone many years with no worsening of my eyeglass rx- it even got slightly better. I was eating liver once or twice a month. I have not had any now for awhile- not sure why, maybe life got busy, I am the only one in my family that will eat it. I was just thinking I should start eating some again, and if my next eye exam has a change in my eyeglass rx, I most definitely will.
I think the medical badmouthing of liver by doctors for supposedly being high on uric acid is responsible for a greater part of poor eyesight among the general population. Together with their preaching that carrots (beta-carotene) are good for eyesight. But beta-carotene is far less effective while being in with the falsely highly educated Ivy League Wannabe crowd, and pretty much all vitamin A supplements are made with beta-carotene.
Yet my sister, who sells and uses a popular brand of network marketing based supplements, takes beta carotene. And she is due for cataract surgery. It helps to know that the body has to have adequate B12 to convert beta-carotene to the real vitamin A retinol. Liver already has retinol.
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@Peatful said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
I used it judiciously and like a supplement
To supplement my dietI cut off small capsule size pieces
Froze them
Then took them ~three times a weekThen
I had my fill
And have never felt the need to go backI think it is a wonderful way to meet micronutrient needs
The only way actually
No synthetic supplements for me anymore everAlways try liverwurst if repulsed by swallowing raw frozen liver
Nice!
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@yerrag Sorry, I don't understand; the case was that you were indeed looking long distance more often?
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My husband processes lambs and kids at home. We vacuum seal the whole livers and put them into the freezer immediately. These livers always taste sweet and good. At some times of year we run out of liver and buy some from neighboring farms that send their animals to small butchers/ slaughterhouses. These farms have good practices but I often find myself not able to eat the livers, the taste is so bad. One last year made me gag and my daughter just kept asking how it could taste so bad compared to our livers. With beef livers, the butcher will often cut them into strips which is the worst! My friend told me a story about the slaughterhouse calling him 4 days after he sent his lambs for slaughter to ask him about how he wanted the livers packaged. That means they didn't freeze them for 4 days. I think that the oxidation of liver is probably a large factor in what makes it taste bad and may make you feel bad. Putting it whole into the freezer immediately is crucial.
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@LetTheRedeemed said in Share positive experiences with eating liver:
@yerrag Sorry, I don't understand; the case was that you were indeed looking long distance more often?
I was nearsighted since high school. At some point, I also became farsighted as it became difficult to read. I had to use bifocals for my condition.
I started eating liver once a week. 8 yrs later, I took an eye test and I realized I was no longer nearsighted.
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@yerrag oh wow. So you did NOT begin looking long distances at the same time you began consuming liver.
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Had done that before but never made inroads as I was still wearing glasses. Kinda like always on crutches and can't go far beyond baby steps.
This time I just ate liver and have enough CO2 from good metabolism as both were needed. But only realize this after I looked into it after the fact.
Wasn't aiming at all to improve my eyesight but it happened.
Serendipity, not genius.
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@yerrag so basically it’s the improved metabolism and vit A consumption, not looking long distances. the other poster assumed falsely about your eyesight improvement.
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@LetTheRedeemed I think she got it right but she had the wrong idea thinking eye exercises are more important than the nutrition aspect.
I think both matters. I was doing Chinese eye exercises that I picked up from a Chinese magazine since high school. While it didn't get rid of my glasses, it still kept my nearsightedness from getting worse all these years. My grade of 75 left and 175 right managed to stay the same all these years. I know many whose eyesight kept deteriorating to 400+ grade.
Of course, I can't blame her as she still believes in Vitamin A being toxic, but that's not something I would waste time debating about.
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@yerrag interesting, thanks for sharing
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Not sure why people are laughing at my comment. It is well established in the scientific literature that staring at screens and early reading for kids causes nearsightedness. Eating liver is not necessary for vision acuity. If it was we'd have a cure ! (far from it, ate plenty of liver in my life and still needed glasses)
