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    Methionine restriction shrinks tumors by ~90%.

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    • MauritioM
      Mauritio @serotoninskeptic
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      @Serotoninskeptic very interesting. Cancer have what's called "methionine addiction".

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      • MauritioM
        Mauritio @serotoninskeptic
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        @Serotoninskeptic can you link the study please?

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        • MarkusAllenUSAM
          MarkusAllenUSA
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          @Serotoninskeptic said in Methionine restriction shrinks tumors by ~90%.:

          Glycine

          So once again, are we to assume that an animal-based (which is high in Glycine) is the go-to way to get our nutrition?

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          • MauritioM
            Mauritio @MarkusAllenUSA
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            @MarkusAllenUSA animal based is not necessarily high I glycine . In most cases it is way higher in methionine because of all the muscle meat.

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            • serotoninskepticS
              serotoninskeptic @Mauritio
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              @Mauritio Yea ideally more ground meats, broths, and gelatin would be included in an animal based diet which is usually not the case for most people who follow it.

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                Insomniac @Mauritio
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                • DavidPSD
                  DavidPS @Insomniac
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                  @Insomniac - I found the image and text. But I could not find the source material.

                  63aec977-6ec6-4537-a5c5-32abcaae595f-image.png

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                  • MauritioM
                    Mauritio @DavidPS
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                    @DavidPS

                    i tried sending it to Google lens which send me to a Chinese website, which was semi helpful. Then i googled some of the Authors mentioned and it might be this study.

                    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31061538/

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                    x.com/Metabolicmonstr

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                    • DavidPSD
                      DavidPS @Mauritio
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                      @Mauritio - Yes, you are correct. The image is on page 5 of this pdf.

                      https://sci-hub.se/10.1038/s41591-019-0423-5

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                        • MauritioM
                          Mauritio @DavidPS
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                          @DavidPS Thansk. I cant open this link. I think it's a sci hub issues. Most sci hub domains don't work for me anymore. And the ones that do work don't give me Andy results for the above link. Would you mind posting the PDF ?

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                          • DavidPSD
                            DavidPS @Mauritio
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                            @Mauritio - My first attempt using google drive.

                            https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zOOmUyjHK0aMckNWmIpAo0Mlqltr8WLy/view?usp=drive_link

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                              Sam Crow
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                              This is very interesting, but a few things I don't grasp:

                              • While nowhere near as small as the methionine restricted tumor, the serine/glycine restricted tumor seems to be smaller than the 'complete' tumor. So, pushing glycine in addition to restricting methionine might not be the way to go? If the tumor growth is driven by methylation and glycine reduces methylation, then wouldn't the glycine restricted tumor grow even bigger?

                              • In the pictures the glutamine restrited tumor looks bigger than the serine/glycine restricted tumor. But the graphs say otherwise. (This might be due to the fact that we just see 2 dimensions of the tumors in the pictures and it therefore is not a good depiction of its volume.)

                              • They used the exact same 'complete' tumor for comparison in pictures 2 & 3 but another one in picture 1. Why is that?

                              (I assume the full study explains more about these things, but I can't open neither of the 2 links to the full text.)

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                                CrumblingCookie @Sam Crow
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                                @Sam-Crow said in Methionine restriction shrinks tumors by ~90%.:

                                They used the exact same 'complete' tumor for comparison in pictures 2 & 3 but another one in picture 1. Why is that?

                                No, watch closely: They've used the very same complete tumor in all three pictures. But in the first picture it is turned by +90° clockwise and it looks fresher. So they probably did the methionine restriction first along with the control, then froze the control while they did the other two tests and took the complete control tumor back out for the later comparison photoshots.

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                                  Ecstatic_Hamster @CrumblingCookie
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                                  methionine restriction is good. Also consuming methioninease is better. The enzyme which is present in many animals and molds, is now patented and very expensive, but it can result in a tumor completely disappearing as it gets rid of almost all methionine.

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                                  • MauritioM
                                    Mauritio @DavidPS
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                                    @DavidPS thanks I sent you a request .

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