Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?

LetTheRedeemed

@wester130 interesting. I don’t know about it.

wester130

@Mossy you can add it in instead of glycine

LucH

@Mossy said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

I assume gelatin powder or straight glycine could replace

Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)
I'd take the half dose in the shake (5 g powder).

LucH

@oliveoil said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

Acerola powder is extremely rich in vitamin c, half a gram gives you the whole daily value.

yes, but remind that 500 g acerola is not 500 g L-ascorbic acid. +/ 20% vit C.
And if it mentions more on the product, it's a fake (lie) or a possible "poison" (half effective vitamin C added => not recognized by the body / cell fouling).

LucH

Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?

• iHerb.com: Doctor's Best – Pure Vitamin C Powder with Q-C
Doctor's Best, Poudre de vitamine C pure avec Q-C, 250 g (8.8 oz.) 23€ / +/ 20 $ in January 2025
NB: Scottish source (labo DSM) when you see the label Q-C.

Useful Info when Buying Vitamin C
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1884-achat-de-vitamine-c-et-caracteristiques#26178
We are going to group together in this post the characteristics published on several posts on this forum (in French, translator needed)
 Vitamin C dosage
 What to pay attention to when purchasing?
 Where do you buy vitamin C?

AinmBeo

@LucH
Do you have the link to that post from haidut?

"Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)"

LetTheRedeemed

Thanks @LucH !

LucH

@AinmBeo said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

Do you have the link to that post from haidut?

I didn't find it back (20% glycine absorbed)
But I have these sources from Julien Venesson, in French (translor needed if details required). Trustful.
Apport de collagène en poudre selon l'âge (Collagen powder intake according to age)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/glycine-collagene/#:~:text=Le collagène et la glycine amélioreraient les gains de masse musculaire&text=Le collagène est une protéine de structure qu'on retrouve,selon la pression du sang.

Si glycine pure : 8 à 15 g par jour environ

=> (+/ 10 gr pour 70 Kg)

If pure glycine: approximately 8 to 15 g per day (+/ 10 g for 70 kg / 140 Lb)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/quels-sont-les-bienfaits-de-la-glycine-en-complement-alimentaire/
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/faut-il-se-supplementer-en-glycine-ou-en-collagene/

Si collagène hydrolysé : 20 gr par jour (If hydrolyzed collagen: 20 gr per day)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/faut-il-se-supplementer-en-glycine-ou-en-collagene/

Mossy

@wester130 said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

@Mossy you can add it in instead of glycine

Thank you. Do you have any experience with Threonine? I'm curious of any side effects you may have experienced.

Mossy

@LucH said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

@Mossy said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

I assume gelatin powder or straight glycine could replace

Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)
I'd take the half dose in the shake (5 g powder).

Thank you.

jd_au

Ugh. This vitamin C issue has done my head in. I read amazing stuff from the Linus Pauling crowd about the benefits of high dose vitamin C. People taking 20-30g a day for years, reversing various health issues etc. I also read Nathan Hatch's writings on it. Whilst I don't agree with him on everything, his stuff on Vitamin C was compelling. He advocates for a natural, acerola-based version, acknowledging that many synthetic versions cause issues. But he also suggests aiming for at least a few grams a day, which is hard to do with acerola and stupidly expensive.

Over the years I have tried at least 7 different Vitamin C brands. Regular, cheap ascorbic acid. Scottish Quali-C. Sodium Ascorbate. A non-corn based, tapioca starch version. Two different versions of acerola. They ALL end up giving me wretched side effects. Runny nose, stuffy throat, aching legs, nausea. Some even lead to my throat feeling constricted which was scary. I have serious doubts about the quality of Quali-C, which gave me a blocked nose and made me sound like I had a permanent cold. The best run I had was with sodium ascorbate. I felt amazing on it for 2 weeks but then the side effects came. With acerola, I don't get any side effects on 500mg. But when I pushed to 2 grams as an experiment, I felt AWFUL. Like I'd poisoned myself. And with taking just 500mg, I don't actually feel any improvement at all, and the whole point of my vitamin C experiment was to try to mega dose it to see if it can improve my health.

I'm about ready to give up and I'm so disappointed. I really believe the research, the testimonies. And for 2 short weeks on the sodium ascorbate, I honestly felt the best I had in years. Normal, in fact. I thought I'd finally backed a winner. Nathan Hatch believes vitamin C is so crucial for health and healing, that if you're low, taking other supps is kinda pointless cos your body can't utilise them properly. I have taken aspirin for years and I believe it depletes vitamin C. So i'm a good candidate for taking moderate to high doses, but for the life of me I just can't find a brand that I can tolerate.

There is a C-salts one that is non-corn based and contains no fillers. But they have paired it with zinc, potassium and calcium, and I am not a fan of supplementing things like zinc and calcium - they have a high chance of causing nausea. The tapioca one is the most recent one I've tried - no corn, no silicon dioxide. But sadly it made me feel off right from the jump.

Anyway, ramble over. I envy the people who tolerate Quali-C with no issues. I wish I could join the club but it's not to be.

LucH

@jd_au said:

He advocates for a natural, acerola-based version, acknowledging that many synthetic versions cause issues.

Most sellers lie when manufacturing 500 mg vitamin C from acerola. You've haven't got 500 mg "natural" L-ascorbic acid. They add he half synthetic one.
And when someone wants to buy the synthetic one, he should mind some caveats:
When you buy synthetic vitamin C in powder (L-ascorbic acid), you should check the following information on the certificate of guarantee:

CAS No.: 50-81-7
This is how a molecule is identified, by its CAS No.
CAS = Registration No. with the Chemical Abstracts Service (CAS) database.
Stereochemistry (optical rotation): between 20.5 and 21.5°.
If we have characteristics 1 and 3 mentioned, it's OK. Otherwise, you're polluting your body with 50% harmful substances. And it's even higher according to some sources (12.5% absorbable).
Heavy metals: less than 10 ppm total, and as little mercury as possible, i.e., 0.001 Hg. Never more than 5 ppm per mL, taken individually, per metal.
Tolerance standard for mercury: 1 ppm (part per million), which is a level of 1/1,000,000 or 0.0001%, if I'm converting correctly.

If you buy vitamin C in large quantities, some well-established suppliers in the protein supplement market turn a deaf ear when you ask for a quality certificate. Vertical ranking, in this case.
LucH

wester130

@Mossy threonine is wonderful for dreams