Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?

[wester130]

@LetTheRedeemed why not just acerola powder? it's 20% vitamin c,

[LucH]

@wester130 said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

why not just acerola powder? it's 20% vitamin c,

Mind acerola when seeing 500 mg vit C in caps. Not only pure acerola, but often with additional powder. And then you're not sure of the appropriate one (without HM, the right degree 20.5 - 21.5° or the CAS reference).

[Mossy]

@LucH said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

L-glutamine + taurine and glycine (or collagen).
1° for the stomach line
2° as antioxidant
3° as moderator (excito-toxity)

I'm curious of your opinion about Peat's dislike of glutamine. What do you think about either omitting glutamine from this combination or replacing it with an alternative that would be more Peat friendly?

[wester130]

@Mossy

why not threonine?? converts to glycine and is also proven to heal the gut too

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022316622029881

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

I'm curious of your opinion about Peat's dislike of glutamine.

Yes, glutamine in excess (when taking a supplement) could take the pathway glutamate, which is an excitatory substance for the brain. Not desired when in excess. That’s the excitatory side, which is counterproductive when the balance is not reached.
On the other way, we need glutamine as material for the border brush of the intestinal wall. That's the usual material.
We have to find a right equilibrium. Low doses and a moderator like glycine and taurine. Glycine as a gaba-like affect; taurine as an anti-oxidant and so much more – very much more for the brain.

My shake (100-120 ml water or in orange juice), this evening:
1/8 tsp taurine
¼ tsp glutamine
2/3 dose magnesium bisglycinate ( 1 dose = 2.5 g)
1 tsp collagen (glycine)
¼ tsp calcium citrate if required (if under 850 mg Ca) but not every day, of course (…). CaPh would be a better choice if ---

Edit: Glutamine powder becomes / could become only glutamate when passing through the border brush (if no used up).

Reminder:
Taurine as a neuro-protector and moderator of excitotoxicity (1)
Taurine exerts its neuroprotective functions against glutamate-induced excitotoxicity, particularly the glutamate-induced increase in intracellular calcium levels.
Taurine also serves to maintain the structural integrity of the membrane [6], to regulate calcium binding and transport [7, 8], as an osmolyte [9, 10], neuro-modulator [11], neuro-transmitter [12–18] and neuro-protective against neurotoxicity induced by L-glutamate (L-Glu) [19, 20]. Excuse for so little!
Sources and references:

1. Role of taurine as neuro-enhancer, transmitter and protector against the neurotoxicity of glutamate.
   Wu, JY., Prentice, H. Role of taurine in the central nervous system. J Biomed Sci 17 (Suppl 1), S1 (2010). https://doi.org/10.1186/1423-0127-17-S1-S1
2. What makes taurine so important? (in French, translator needed)
   https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1840-quest-ce-qui-rend-la-taurine-si-importante?highlight=taurine

[Mossy]

@LucH
Interesting. I appreciate the shake recipe. I assume gelatin powder or straight glycine could replace the collagen?

[Mossy]

@wester130 said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

threonine

Interesting, as well. Your thought is to replace the entire combination with this one amino acid?

[oliveoil]

I’m starting to take acerola powder along with collagen to boost collagen synthesis. Acerola powder is extremely rich in vitamin c, half a gram gives you the whole daily value.

That being said, I don’t know if it comes with any tradeoffs

[LetTheRedeemed]

@wester130 interesting. I don’t know about it.

[wester130]

@Mossy you can add it in instead of glycine

[LucH]

@Mossy said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

I assume gelatin powder or straight glycine could replace

Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)
I'd take the half dose in the shake (5 g powder).

[LucH]

@oliveoil said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

Acerola powder is extremely rich in vitamin c, half a gram gives you the whole daily value.

yes, but remind that 500 g acerola is not 500 g L-ascorbic acid. +/ 20% vit C.
And if it mentions more on the product, it's a fake (lie) or a possible "poison" (half effective vitamin C added => not recognized by the body / cell fouling).

[LucH]

Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?

• iHerb.com: Doctor's Best – Pure Vitamin C Powder with Q-C
Doctor's Best, Poudre de vitamine C pure avec Q-C, 250 g (8.8 oz.) 23€ / +/ 20 $ in January 2025
NB: Scottish source (labo DSM) when you see the label Q-C.

Useful Info when Buying Vitamin C
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1884-achat-de-vitamine-c-et-caracteristiques#26178
We are going to group together in this post the characteristics published on several posts on this forum (in French, translator needed)
 Vitamin C dosage
 What to pay attention to when purchasing?
 Where do you buy vitamin C?

[AinmBeo]

@LucH
Do you have the link to that post from haidut?

"Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)"

[LetTheRedeemed]

Thanks @LucH !

[LucH]

@AinmBeo said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

Do you have the link to that post from haidut?

I didn't find it back (20% glycine absorbed)
But I have these sources from Julien Venesson, in French (translor needed if details required). Trustful.
Apport de collagène en poudre selon l'âge (Collagen powder intake according to age)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/glycine-collagene/#:~:text=Le collagène et la glycine amélioreraient les gains de masse musculaire&text=Le collagène est une protéine de structure qu'on retrouve,selon la pression du sang.

Si glycine pure : 8 à 15 g par jour environ

=> (+/ 10 gr pour 70 Kg)

If pure glycine: approximately 8 to 15 g per day (+/ 10 g for 70 kg / 140 Lb)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/quels-sont-les-bienfaits-de-la-glycine-en-complement-alimentaire/
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/faut-il-se-supplementer-en-glycine-ou-en-collagene/

Si collagène hydrolysé : 20 gr par jour (If hydrolyzed collagen: 20 gr per day)
https://www.julienvenesson.fr/faut-il-se-supplementer-en-glycine-ou-en-collagene/

[Mossy]

@wester130 said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

@Mossy you can add it in instead of glycine

Thank you. Do you have any experience with Threonine? I'm curious of any side effects you may have experienced.

[Mossy]

@LucH said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

@Mossy said in Consensus on a good Vitamin C source?:

I assume gelatin powder or straight glycine could replace

Yes, when taking 10 g glycine, you only assimilate 2 g (20 %). (Study given by Haidut)
I'd take the half dose in the shake (5 g powder).

Thank you.