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@NoeticJuice said in Songs you like:
Reading the comment below the song reminds me
"The evidence of the fossil record is, as I say, that the control of voice and respiration needed for singing apparently came into being long before they would ever have been required by language."
"Ultimately music is the communication of emotion, the most fundamental form of communication, which in phylogeny, as well as ontogeny, came and comes first. Neurological research strongly supports the assumption that 'our love of music reflects the ancestral ability of our mammalian brain to transmit and receive basic emotional sounds,' the prosody and rhythmic motion that emerge intuitively from entrainment of the body in emotional expression: 'music was built upon the communications through vocal intonations.' Presumably such 'mechanisms' were highly important for group survival. They were also likely to have deep roots: 'the deeply emotional stirrings generated by music,' writes the influential anthropologist Robin Dunbar, 'suggests to me that music has very ancient origins, long predating the evolution of language.'"
"But if it should turn out that music leads to language, rather than language to music, it helps us understand for the first time the otherwise baffling historical fact that poetry evolved before prose. Prose was at first known as pezos logos, literally 'pedestrian, or walking, logos,' as opposed to the usual dancing logos of poetry. In fact early poetry was sung: so the evolution of literary skill progresses, if that is the correct word, from right-hemisphere music (words that are sung), to right-hemisphere language (the metaphorical language of poetry), to left-hemisphere language (the referential language of prose).
Music is likely to be the ancestor of language and it arose largely in the right hemisphere, where one would expect a means of communication with others, promoting social cohesion, to arise."The Master and His Emissary (2019), pp. 102, 103, 105
Ian McGilchristFascinating, and very cool, NoeticJuice. Thank you for sharing.
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N NoeticJuice referenced this topic
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@Terminator I don't know if this is the right place to say this but I never enjoyed a song made by a black person. I can't explain it.
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@Norwegian-Mugabe https://www.bps.org.uk/research-digest/men-higher-testosterone-levels-are-less-classical-music-and-opera
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@William-Shat that’s a chicken or the egg scenario.
In the Post-WW2 cultural revolution, classical music was coded as no longer “hip,” so those who engaged in the new cultural signaling market only listened to “cool” and “hip” music.
Bach went to a boys school where boys routinely pulled spears out of the armory and got into deadly fights… the most patriarchal authoritarian societies in modern history (Europe as indicated by height and hormonal measurements in the last 50 years) only had church pipe organ music or folk strumming on strings.
Of course the people today who listen to rap or pop music will have overlap between both young and from blood-sport-for-honor ghettos.
When i go to Bach renditions in my town, 80% of the attendants are elderly, including the only old man I've seen in a pencil skirt — this is not a fault of Bach’s “resist firmly all sin,” but rather the cultural coding changing… classical music is objectively better than half of the modern art shared in this thread to be quite frank.
Welcome to my butthurt soapbox, I've had to consider this alot as the two musical genres i love most in my country, folk and classical, are completely dominated by the elite leftists, whilst the diminishing indigenous conservatives, considered it “their” music…
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@LetTheRedeemed Butthurt soapbox is right.
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@Rah1woot xD
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It wasn't specifically about classical music, but about "sophisticated" music. From the linked paper:
- "Many behavioral traits, including personality, are known to be influenced by steroid-hormone testosterone. On this basis, we conjectured that testosterone partly determines individual differences in music preference. To examine this hypothesis, in the present study, we investigated the association between salivary testosterone concentration and strength of preference for five different music types in young males and females. The results revealed a significant negative correlation between salivary testosterone concentration and preference for sophisticated music, such as classical and jazz in males. This relationship was not mediated by the big-five personality traits. These findings indicate the possibility that neuroendocrinological function can exert influences on music preference patterns."
From The Structure of Musical Preferences: A Five-Factor Model:
- "The findings from three independent studies converged to suggest that there exists a latent five-factor structure underlying music preferences that is genre-free, and reflects primarily emotional/affective responses to music. We have interpreted and labeled these factors as: 1) a Mellow factor comprising smooth and relaxing styles; 2) an Urban factor defined largely by rhythmic and percussive music, such as is found in rap, funk, and acid jazz; 3) a Sophisticated factor that includes classical, operatic, world, and jazz; 4) an Intense factor defined by loud, forceful, and energetic music; and 5) a Campestral factor comprising a variety of different styles of direct, and rootsy music such as is often found in country and singer-songwriter genres. The findings from a fourth study suggest that preferences for the MUSIC factors are affected by both the social and auditory characteristics of the music."
Idk about the historical and cultural contexts of most types of music, so I won't comment on that.
Male composers might have lower testosterone levels in general:
I don't really care much about testosterone
@LetTheRedeemed said in Songs you like:
classical music is objectively better
What is objectively better is subjective; it depends on the purpose for listening. If someone just wanted entertainment, then they could just listen to any music that they find entertaining.
Different kinds of music have somewhat different effects, and the effects also partially depend on who is listening to the music. A person can choose whatever fits their purpose for them.
There might also be some benefit from listening to a wide variety of genres—the mind gets exposed to a wider range of patterns and sounds.
Anyway, the posts by both of you (@William-Shat, @LetTheRedeemed) got me to listen to some classical music again, and I found some new ones that I like and haven't listened to before. So, thank you.
