What do you guys think of Trump now that he won

Trump's second term as President has the chance to bring a "Golden Age" as he and others have termed it, and I am not exaggerating. I mean it in the literal sense.

Think about it.

You have Elon Musk tasked with cutting government fat out, reducing spending, cutting agencies, firing useless government employees. He has experience gutting bloated tech giants like Twitter. He fired 80% of the Twitter staff, and took a sword to the censorship codebase they had set up. He succeeded beyond what anyone could have imagined with that. If that skill transfers to his Department of Government Efficiency, and there's no reason to believe it won't, we will be on the way towards paying off US debt.

Ron Paul has vowed to join Trump's cabinet after being invited, and he and Elon mentioned auditing the Federal Reserve/abolishing it. THIS ALONE WOULD BE ONE FOR THE HISTORY BOOKS. We are talking a nuclear level political/economical event that could usher in an age of prosperity.

RFK Jr. as the incoming HHS Secretary has vowed to clear house with federal health employees. He has declared war on seed oils, fluoride in water sources, vaccines, and other health threats that the medical establishment/science religion has held on pedestals not to be questioned, else you be cast out as a heretic.

Tom Homan, former ICE acting director, as Border czar. He will be overseeing the mass deportations of illegal aliens. Tom Homan has unabashedly said he will deport families of illegal aliens, and seperate families of illegal aliens crossing the border. This is standard operating procedure that has been politicized by woke leftist retards, and prevented ICE/Border agents from doing their jobs. Trump's + Homan's rhetoric alone will likely drastically slow border crossings as it did in 2016/2017 when Trump won and then entered office. Follow that by millions of deporations, crime will drop drastically, many lives will be saved, and will save US taxpayers up to $151 billion per year in useless spending.

Trump has also said he wants to eliminate the income tax. If Ron Paul is in his cabinet in DOGE, he will actually be able to help with this because he ran his Presidential campaigns on abolishing income taxes as one of his key platforms.

ThinPicking

@Hearthfire said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

we will be on the way towards paying off US debt

Debt to who and for what. Rhetorical.

I'd go for a partial jubilee and heli drop scenario to recap. Along with corp law changes to make accumulation far more difficult. But that's far too boring and I'm not American. More entertaining to abstract the fed and form a new crypto westworld.

RFK Jr. as the incoming HHS Secretary has vowed to clear house with federal health employees.

Isn't there some doubt about this today.

No 'blackpilling' here. It'll be fine. Just reasons to curb enthusiasm and keep attention.

S.Holmes

@Hearthfire

Rah1woot

@Hearthfire Austerity, in a word. Didn't work in Argentina (to actually improve human life), I don't expect it would work here. In fact it could well be the death knell of "Capitalism" as we conceive of it today, implementing something more like actual capitalism in its place, which promptly fails as it did in 1929, unable to bear the weight of the socialized systems we now rely on to live. I don't mean welfare, I mean electricity, fuel, telecommunications, "just-in-time" food shipments in every grocery store, insurance.

Of course it will all depend on social class.

As always, history, reality, and nothing else, will be the judge.

I would personally expect a rapid widening of living standards between the trade-surplus countries (Russia, China) and the trade-deficit countries (USA, much of Europe), as exponential-level effects begin to kick into high gear. The answer to tariffs won't be "Made in America" but instead "not made in sufficient amounts". And the informal economy of connections, who-knows-who, and hoarding/scrapping will blossom in place of the formal one as it did in the late USSR.

"American Factory" is an old-ish documentary that gives a decent characterization of the situation.

Corngold

@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

I would personally expect a rapid widening of living standards between the trade-surplus countries (Russia, China) and the trade-deficit countries (USA, much of Europe), as exponential-level effects begin to kick into high gear. The answer to tariffs won't be "Made in America" but instead "not made in sufficient amounts". And the informal economy of connections, who-knows-who, and hoarding/scrapping will blossom in place of the formal one as it did in the late USSR.

This is rationally what I would expect. All industries would be operating at a loss if they were operating in America by American standards which is why the only industries here rely on technological advancement, like ai and other lucrative things / computers, software, etc.

My main problem with Trumpism is he sold lies like "bring back manufacturing" and "build a wall," etc. These are just humiliating lies for average people - manufacturing is not returning for the above point. Unemployment is mostly under-employment because no industries can pay good wages to remain competitive in America. Criminals and morons play the system and benefit from unemployment, while veterans and hard-working people pay the price. The government is too inflated and disinterested in providing any social welfare in place of what employers should be able to. Working three jobs is promoted as "productive."

All humiliation. With digital id and advanced internet surveillance, the migrant / border problem will be another war on American citizens just like what is happening in North Carolina after the HH hurricane and what happened after the fake 9/11 with the DHS and TSA, etc. Trump has the ability to command hope among a nation; that is a sign that things are not good and judging by his first term, it's likely not much will change in 4 years.

S.Holmes

@Corngold Why so many black pill dispensers in this group? Remember, Google is also a tool of the lying left and the algorithm will take you places where lies and TDS flourish.

If DJT is able to accomplish only a few of these, I will call that a win:

Downsizing of government and cutting the out-of-control pork spending
Ending the flood of illegal immigrants
Reducing or eliminating the ridiculous tax burden on the American people,
Ending the "green energy" corporate welfare boon doggles,
Making trade fair again,
And last but not least, ending crimes against humanity (and especially children).
I will be ecstatic.

Rah1woot

@S-Holmes

Why so many black pill dispensers in this group?

Framing the conflict in terms of drugs (would you call yourself a "white piller"?) is a great way to lose a productive outlook in favor of the messianism of a truly downtrodded population. Instead of entering in a dialogue with reality one can only take the speculators positions of "it's so over" and "we're so back". Kerensky's Napoleonic cult of personality comes to mind, at the time of Russia's involvement in WW1.

Stop taking pills. Plunge unconditionally into the abyss that is the real. Because there is literally nothing else.

And there, you will gain the ability to actually know what's going to happen. Instead of being forced into increasingly limited and convoluted interpretations of Trump the Savior, who saves in secret, unknown ways.

S.Holmes

@Rah1woot I'm sorry, I can't read what the sign says.

DJT isn't in this alone. If he had been unable or unwilling to run for potus in 2016 the patriots in our military were going to go to plan B. We would be in a bloody civil war now. The American people are fed up with the abuse by the evil ones in power over the past several decades. Not only for what they have done to us but also for the evils they visited upon innocent people everywhere. We citizen patriots have been constrained by Trump and Gen Flynn to not take up arms. They are working the plan and I've seen enough to believe in them. This is our last chance and if we don't succeed, the hounds of hell will be unleashed upon the world.

Rah1woot

@S-Holmes As predicted, your worldview is a fantasy of secret warfare. Hypotheticals. What would've happened in Another Timeline or something like that. Rather than embracing the one and only History as the sole truth that it is.

This is our last chance and if we don't succeed, the hounds of hell will be released upon the world.

Here I can sympathize. Just get ready to be disappointed is what I'll say. Admit it truthfully as a possibility, rather than relegating it to a secret defeat in an imagined internal office politics, "the best he could do", et cetera. The "anti-beauty" of that game is that it can be played literally forever.

Don't confuse the symbol for the symbolized. Which as you point out is really We The People, and nothing else.

S.Holmes

@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

@S-Holmes As predicted, your worldview is a fantasy of secret warfare. Hypotheticals. What would've happened in Another Timeline or something like that. Rather than embracing the one and only History as the sole truth that it is.

This is our last chance and if we don't succeed, the hounds of hell will be released upon the world.

Here I can sympathize. Just get ready to be disappointed is what I'll say. Admit it truthfully as a possibility, rather than relegating it to a secret defeat in an imagined internal office politics, "the best he could do", et cetera. The "anti-beauty" of that game is that it can be played literally forever.

Don't confuse the symbol for the symbolized. Which as you point out is really We The People, and nothing else.

Fortunately for me I have followed Q closely for nearly 8 years. General Flynn confirmed Q to my husband and me in person a few months ago. He did so privately. I already knew about Q because I had spent thousands of hours reviewing Q "proofs." But it doesn't matter whether people believe in the military grade Q operation or not. It will go forward none the less and I look forward to a brighter future.

Corngold

@S-Holmes said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

Downsizing of government and cutting the out-of-control pork spending
Ending the flood of illegal immigrants
Reducing or eliminating the ridiculous tax burden on the American people,
Ending the "green energy" corporate welfare boon doggles,
Making trade fair again,
And last but not least, ending crimes against humanity (and especially children).
I will be ecstatic.

Unlikely and Project 25 would be status quo or increase; plus and private industry filling the gap will not play fair.
Unlikely because of who is paying our government to import them; plus private industries and Americans are profiting from cheaper labor and have been for decades
Unlikely, but some price reduction may "undo" the past 4 years of inflation. Meaning we will be back to "0" by 2028
Possible but unlikely to change because of geopolitics
America's corporate "trade" oligarchs / federal government have been cheating the system for decades
Like abortion, gender madness will probably be delegated to states.

I'm sympathetic to your views and I hope good things come, but I'm not holding my breath.

Corngold

@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

And there, you will gain the ability to actually know what's going to happen. Instead of being forced into increasingly limited and convoluted interpretations of Trump the Savior, who saves in secret, unknown ways.

This might be my main complaint about what "maga" was, or became. It's pseudo-religious and has the character of a cargo cult. We shouldn't wait around for false prophets, and we shouldn't tie our well-being to them.

S.Holmes

@Corngold said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

@Rah1woot said in What do you guys think of Trump now that he won:

And there, you will gain the ability to actually know what's going to happen. Instead of being forced into increasingly limited and convoluted interpretations of Trump the Savior, who saves in secret, unknown ways.

This might be my main complaint about what "maga" was, or became. It's pseudo-religious and has the character of a cargo cult. We shouldn't wait around for false prophets, and we shouldn't tie our well-being to them.

I guess people can't be blamed for making incorrect assumptions since the lying media hasn't yet been restrained. But I've been very active in politics for my entire adult life and know where to get the real (underground) news and information. General Flynn's mother was a very close friend to my political mentor. I trusted my mentor (she earned it). I trusted Flynn's mother,.and I trust we're on the right path. But I have zero blind faith in a saviour. I am MAGA, my friends, neighbors and family are MAGA. Without all of us, there IS no MAGA.