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      Hearthfire @Mossy
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      @Mossy

      I don't know, what's the thought process @wester130 ?

      Maybe you can leave it in longer than the oil since it isn't as messy and potently fragrant. I can only do one hour or two with the rosemary oil. Stuff is strong.

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        A Former User @Hearthfire
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        @Hearthfire you use rosemary essential oil? do you dilute it?

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          Hearthfire @A Former User
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          @sushi_is_cringe

          Sometimes I mix it with castor oil. Sometimes I just do the rosemary and massage/gua sha. Depends on what I have time for. It's harder to wash the castor oil out of your hair than the rosemary oil.

          I also make a homemade shampoo using Dr Bronners castille soap, and I put some rosemary oil in that along with other ingredients that are good for regrowth.

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            wester130 @Mossy
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            @Mossy the oil is problematic and too strong

            many people used rosemary water, the tincture would work just as well

            mix with green tea tincture too, combined with once weekly dermastamping

            a rosemary/hibiscus/green tea tincture would be interesting

            this person used water,

            Youtube Video

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              A Former User @Hearthfire
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              @Hearthfire coconut oil seems really nice for hair as well. the guy who i learned the rosemary reccomendation from actually switched to peppermint oil because apparently it is even better.

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                wester130 @A Former User
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                @sushi_is_cringe makes sense

                mint has commonality with anti histamines

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                  Hearthfire @A Former User
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                  @sushi_is_cringe @wester130

                  All I've seen is that everyone says rosemary is better, including the Perfect Hair Health youtube channel IIRC. With peppermint, there were some studies done on mice that showed regrowth, but no studies on humans that I'm aware of. Rosemary was studied on humans and shown to be as effective as minoxidil.

                  I do think peppermint is beneficial. It's antifungal/antibacterial and increases blood flow. It's in the Dr Bronners castille soap I use as shampoo, so I get rosemary and peppermint. Both bases covered.

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                    Mossy
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                    @Hearthfire, @wester130, @sushi_is_cringe
                    Good information. I kind of like the potency aspect of the rosemary oil, assuming that it is indeed more potent, in the hopes that it will produce better results. But, for going to work and being out in public, the water based makes sense. But maybe in this case more potent smelling doesn't necessarily equal more effective.

                    Coconut and peppermint oil have been talked about and used for as long as I can remember; so, could be beneficial to add those in as well, like Hearthfire does. I've used that entire combination throughout the years: castor, coconut, rosemary, and peppermint. I've also used lavender, eucalyptus, and cedarwood. I do remember a few years back cedarwood was being talked about for hair growth.

                    One oil that was really talked about quite some time back was emu oil. It's really hard to know if these are legitimate pro-hair ingredients or if industries promoted them, in an attempt to make money.

                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                      wester130 @Mossy
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                      not sure about emu oil, seems pointless, greasy too

                      I would do alcohol tinctures of rosemary, mint and green tea.

                      optional extras: hibiscus, neem, licorice, all as alcohol tinctures

                      menthol can work as well as many anti inflammatory drugs

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                        wester130 @wester130
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                        interesting study on menthol,

                        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0026286216300401?via%3Dihub

                        interesting study on licorice too

                        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320802200_Using_hair_growth_activity_physical_stability_and_safety_tests_to_study_hair_tonics_containing_ethanol_extract_of_licorice_Glycyrrhiza_glabra_Linn

                        licorice/mint/rosemary would be interesting

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                          Mossy @wester130
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                          @wester130
                          I do have licorice root on a reminder as well, to test various methods of delivery — which I've been snoozing for months now, with my original note being from years ago. I got this idea from Travis, who was a very knowledgeable member at RPF. I couldn't keep up with his knowledge and theories, but I gleaned that licorice root would provide enoxolone, which at the time he felt was a key factor in preventing hairloss.

                          "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                          "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                            Chud
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                            things that helped halt my hair loss:

                            • walking in the sun as much as possible (lowers cortisol / increases dopamine)
                            • supplementing d3/k2/t3 (calcium regulation)
                            • washing hair with baking soda (antifungal)
                            • showering daily (lowers scalp cortisol)
                            • cyproheptadine daily (lowers cortisol / serotonin)
                            • aspirin daily (lowers estrogen / aldosterone)
                            • daily carrot salad (lowers estrogen / prolactin)
                            • heavily salting meals (lowers aldosterone)
                            • having 1-2oz liver once or twice a week
                            • light scalp massage with fingertips / knuckles few minutes daily (lowers scalp cortisol)
                            • lowering intake of or eliminating inflammatory foods. (these foods can differ for everyone so perceive think act.)

                            things that gave me significant regrowth

                            • hair transplant

                            breakfast for dinner enjoyer

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                              Mossy @Chud
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                              @Chud
                              Thanks for sharing. All very Peaty.

                              "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                              "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                wester130 @Mossy
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                                @Mossy

                                this has 100,000 reviews.

                                that must be the most on amazon

                                https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mielle-Rosemary-Strengthening-Infused-Porosity/dp/B0DJFVT9FZ?th=1

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                                  Mossy @wester130
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                                  @wester130
                                  Now that is a lot of reviews. I wonder if those are all real.

                                  Maybe the topical usage of PUFA would not be as big of a factor, but the first three ingredients are:

                                  Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil, Glycine Soja (SOYbean) Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil,

                                  "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                  "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                                    wester130 @Mossy
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                                    @Mossy

                                    may aswell jsut make your own with alcohol tinctures

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                                      Hearthfire @wester130
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                                      @wester130

                                      If you don't want to make your own and don't want any bad ingredients, here's a good one:

                                      https://fountainheadhair.com/products/rosemary-lavender-growth-oil

                                      Never used this product but its from someone who is into natural, organic non-toxic products. You don't get a lot, but you get the convienience of it being ready made and without any weird ingredients, just the oils.

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                                        wester130 @Hearthfire
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                                        @Hearthfire both look good

                                        this too

                                        https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363770671807

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                                          wester130 @Hearthfire
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                                          @Hearthfire i was always interested in the idea of adaptogens for hair,

                                          things like schisandra, rhodiola and eleuthero, but never made a decision about them

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                                            Mossy @wester130
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                                            @wester130
                                            Yes, I tend to make my own tinctures, extracts to be able to control the ingredients.

                                            @Hearthfire
                                            That's a nice mixture, but on the costly side for 2oz. Granted, the initial cost to buy all those ingredients wouldn't be cheap; so, if someone had the budget, I could see the convenience factor outweighing the cost.

                                            "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                                            "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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