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@Kvirion Okay fair enough, that is a very good viewpoint, that I am actually a holder of.
It is what made me decide to take GLP-1 Agonists. Thousands of drugs and diets show the same benefits as semaglutide, but what made me choose semaglutide, is that I believe GLP-1 hormone fits into physiology, metabolism and stress, in a manner that aligns that with energy and structure.
Of course, writing about where the GLP-1 hormone fits into physiology, metabolism and stress, will take a whole thread to explain.
But lets not pretend that the other participants of this thread held this viewpoint towards any of the subjects more than me. Infact, this viewpoint towards health is extremely rare ANYWHERE on this forum, the other forum or Reddit. The fact that I am called out, out of the the thousands of other people is insane.
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@alfredoolivas It is also what is stopping me from taking the other GLP-1 receptor agonists - the others agonise the GIP-1 and Glucagon receptor. If I am ever to express interest in these drugs, I need to understand where GIP-1 and glucagon fits in the picture of physiology, metabolism and stress, and how it relates to both energy and structure.
Infact. That is why I have never posted studies, on random molecules, supplements or drugs, that I have found. I want to know how their targets fit into this almost spiritual idea of health.
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@alfredoolivas I'm not saying that you dont have potentially valuable contributions to the metabolic approach to health. It's clear you are knowledgeable about granular aspects of biochem research. My point is that you are losing sight of the forest focusing on the trees. other users have already made this point, but it bears repeating. This is the entire point of abandoning the receptor theory of the cell.
even your point about me joking that certain books should be mandatory reading being labeled as "authoritarian" pretty perfectly exemplifies this tendency. Using definitions and minutia to obfuscate the whole is precisely the scientism I'm talking about.
wishing you good health!
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@samson Can you give me an example of anyone apart from Peat, Roddy, Haidut or @Kvirion challenging "receptor theory of the cell"?
I am being genuine, apart from a single Reddit post from last year, and Haidut's explanation (back in the day), I have NEVER seen a user talk about a diet, substance or anything in a way that challenges "the receptor theory of the cell". @Kvirion has been the first to even mention this in over a year, at least in my experience.
Literally 20 posts have been made here with the words "receptor theory" in it.... it is therefore extremely rich for me to be called out by others for having a reductionist viewpoint, when litterally everyone is making the same mistake.
(I am not criticising these comments, rather the principles that you follow are hypocritical)
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@alfredoolivas wait. you're the Irish guy? wtf
you sent me a pic of yourself shirtless and flexing on one of my accounts lolllllll -
@alfredoolivas dude why tf are you on ozempic? am I reading this right? in the pic you sent to me you're literally shredded. you were literally posting cool stuff about how pro metabolism makes you empathetic with your college m8s last year, what has happened since then? and now on here you are larping as Mexican or something. dude what is going on
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reminder to anyone reading this thread seeing glp-1 drugs being pushed, @alfredoolivas is literally cut and shredded af, in the pic he sent to me last year he literally looks like a college swimmer athlete with low bf
and he is on here posting studies about ozempic
this is probably a mentally ill person with body dysmorphia and now im suspicious of anything he is posting regarding knowledge and information
please clarify @alfredoolivas
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bring the original learnedhelpnessback___ ... I miss him bros...
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@sushi_is_cringe Larping? As a famous mexican singer Alfredo Olivas? I clearly have mentioned that I live in the EU, I just set my username & profile picture as one of my favourite artists.
@sushi_is_cringe said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:
@alfredoolivas dude why tf are you on ozempic? am I reading this right? in the pic you sent to me you're literally shredded. you were literally posting cool stuff about how pro metabolism makes you empathetic with your college m8s last year, what has happened since then? and now on here you are larping as Mexican or something. dude what is going on
I have sent that picture to a few people when it came up in conversation. All those people came to me asking for advice.
I spent lots of time trying to help all of those people (no the help did not consist of me recommending them supplements, like this list. I wasn't even using GLP-1).
You were one of them, asking for advice, and this is how you repay me? I hope my advice helped, that's the whole reason I spend time on this forum and modding the subreddit.
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@alfredoolivas bro why are you you taking ozempic or w/e when you are/were so lean.....
I appreciate you bro.. but please.. just do some sprints or smth,...
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@alfredoolivas bro... I like you... im just shocked....
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@alfredoolivas I apologize for calling you probably mentally ill... I fantasized about us getting bread and Irish butter in Dublin.. that makes me mentally ill too.. it was a projection..
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@alfredoolivas my love and admiration for the Irish has no bounds...
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@alfredoolivas pls respond
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@alfredoolivas dude ... please accept my apology... don't stop posting because I was being funny...
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@alfredoolivas said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:
But maybe I should buy heavy metal laden DNP...
worrying about heavy metals in 200mgs of DNP when you claim to have taken 2100mgs per week of testosterone for 9 months is kind of hilarious
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@dht fair enough. My view is there exists purity tests for steroids but not DNP, and it’s been tested by the community and apparently there’s magnetic metal contamination such as iron, but no heavy metal contamination. I found a test for a trenbolone product, and per 100mg, it tested positive for mercury, but 100mg would give as much mercury as found in a bite of sardines or something. Just my cope haha, I’m okay with it.
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@alfredoolivas aromatizable androgen esters are poison im ngl, i feel considerably better on pregnenolone, dhea and progesterone compared to test E and P at 6-7mgs per day with DHT Enanthate, so i have no idea how you tolerate 2 grams per week
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@alfredoolivas said in Pro Metabolic Substances Tier List:
However, if you do not turn testosterone into estrogen, it is a very stabilising, anti-cortisol and anti-estrogenic substance, that's effects are barely noticeable.
"Testosterone by itself is more of a quiet foundation than a raging storm. It keeps things steady, blunts stress, and subtly reinforces resilience without making a scene. It’s like having a solid, well-built engine—efficient, reliable, and not overly flashy unless you start tinkering with the fuel mix (estrogen)."- The whole cell is a receptor and the effects of a substance depend on the state of the cell - that is why we all have different reactions to different substances, and as your cells change due to depleting PUFA for example, you will develop different reactions to different supplements
@dht This was kind of my explanation, probably PUFA depletion and thyroid and test acting as an AI
