@NARINGENIN high co2 seems to be a big factor. lots of buteyko people say they reduced the amounts they had to sleep

@Pooooop been doing this diet for fat loss with really good results recently, many people say they can drop 10 lbs in a month pretty easily. probably better than a traditional calorie deficit.

https://longestlevers.com/fat-loss/honey-diet.html

@Pooooop t3 usually stimulates appetite. if you can avoid overeating and stay in a deficit, its a good way to ensure your metabolism isn't downregulated during a cut, but its not going to do much other than that for fat loss.

@AnxiousMess what was your dosage? were you measuring temp?

@Norwegian-Mugabe I'll swish some water in my mouth after my last meal/sugary drink at 3, but my tongue has felt actually much cleaner doing the honey diet rather than eating mixed macros throughout the day.

a diet that's so low in phosphorus is pretty protective of teeth, and I get all the fatty vitamins essential for good dental health at night with protein.

I basically just eat small meals all day until 3, a squirt of honey right when i wake up, 450g blueberries and some black coffee with sugar, a glass of orange juice, an energy drink, more honey, etc. usually ends up being around 1500-2k cals worth of sugar, ~3500 cals by the end of the day. I don't think there's anything special about honey besides being an easy source of calories.

haven't even thought about doing a "calorie deficit" as the fat loss has been so effortless, I eat to complete satiety outside of the 3-7 fasting window.

that's my experience but I'd love to hear about @Serotoninskeptic experience as well, if it's any different to mine.

@jamezb46 Good point on the Randle cycle, often gets misconstrued and to my knowledge, it still isn't fully understood.

Certainly a major benefit is lower levels of inflammatory amino acids, I found that when I eat protein and fat at the end of my day, if I drink some gelatinous broth first, and then have some eggs, cheese, milk, etc my breathing is much clearer and I feel more relaxed, whereas if I go right to eggs and cheese and have broth after, I get clogged up. seems like clear sinuses, for me, are a pretty good proxy for inflammation.

@jamezb46 Yeah my numbers have stayed the same, some lifts even getting a little stronger, but we'll see how long that lasts as I continue to drop weight. weighted dips and chin-ups have improved, but I'd attribute that to just getting lighter and not losing muscle. I hit a pr on squats last time I went, so maybe I'm eeking out some gains as well.

started at 195 at around 18% BF, gonna drop 10 lbs and see what I'm looking like then start to bulk again, though trying to put on any significant amount of weight is pretty difficult while maintaining good mental clarity and energy in my experience, protein fasting just make me feel so sharp and energized.

another plus I see with the honey diet is that glycogen stores aren't depleted, so your muscles don't look deflated and you don't get that illusory initial drop in water weight like typically caloric deficit diets.

I've made some coconut oil ice cream so I'll probably just slam that and see where it gets me when the time comes

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@jamezb46 seems plausible from an evolution standpoint, but not necessarily bad right? just because there's an adaptive response doesn't make it harmful unless proven otherwise.

I do think there are lots of factors for why a healthy human would only eat fruit for large swaths of the day, and gorge on fat and meat at night, if that's the paradigm we're thinking in, however.

also, it's not like you are totally deprived of amino acids during the sugar phase, transamination and amination both synthesize amino acids from keto acids in fruit, with the added benefit of lowering serum ammonia levels through (berries, citrus, pineapples all have precursors to α-ketoglutarate, which is bound to NH3 thus reducing amino levels)

I lift pretty religiously and haven't seen any reduction in strength, or slowing of progress for that matter, despite my weight dropping, so no catabolic action from protein fasting. pretty cool to be able to recomp as an intermediate actually

@IkeIkeforever progesterone is pretty safe and sold in any vitamin shop in the US. if you're interested in cynomel (T3) Danny Roddy has some good stuff simplifying it.
https://dannyroddy.substack.com/p/demystifying-thyroid-supplementation
here's rays article about progesterone as well
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/three-hormones.shtml

You can also use the low-toxin forum as a resource for testimonials. used to be the ray peat forum but got bought by a crazy retard, unfortunately.

"______ low toxin forum" in google or whatever will bring up relevant forum posts, since you need to pay to search in site.