Cancer

[attempting]

@Ecstatic_Hamster Dr. Peat didn't seem to like cannabis much. What do you think he would say of this idea?

[Ecstatic_Hamster]

@attempting he did not study endogenous cannabinoids. Sadly.

[Peatly]

Dr Peat was asked how THC and CBD are understood in a bioenergetic view?

“I've been looking for the real beneficial effects and it's always very ambiguous as far as I can see. It is sedative and in some circumstances anti-inflammatory, but not always. And for many years I haven't been able to resolve the ambiguity to have a definite opinion.” Ray Peat

[attempting]

@Peatly Thanks Peatly & Hamster. THat is interesting stuff. I think a lot of us wish he had paid more attention to cannabis. FWIW, I think he would have found THCv very interesting.

[Peatly]

@attempting Dr Peat wasn’t shy of research. When he said, ‘I've been looking for the real beneficial effects’ I take that to mean he made considerable effort. The question of cannabis came up frequently in interviews. He was a curious man and I trust that if there was something worth finding he would have found it.

[ThinPicking]

@Peatly

As a seasoned pot user I can sympathise. It's a vast subject for the variance in composition of herbs, isolates and vehicles to consume them. Literature search for THC/CBD isolates is tricky and they vary. To weigh that with literature search for "natural" product and turn it in to some kind of practical advisory... difficult.

And then there's the 21st century corporatisation of it. More context. More tricky.

[vocedilegno]

@Ecstatic_Hamster this is fascinating. Where did you hear of this?

[Peatly]

Macmillan Cancer Support on Cannabis Oil and Cancer

[Amazoniac]

@Jennifer, if your dad remains committed to conventional methods, perhaps he would be willing to consider this approach:

Immunotherapy in Cancer | Joseph Issels

"There are three general areas of prohost clinical management which are interwoven, and which overlap considerably:"

• "Correction of all known causal factors. This requires surgical elimination of foci of infection (notably head foci of dead teeth and nonfunctional diseased tonsils), immunization against pathogenic microbes and administration of appropriate flora, desensitization of local tissue pathologies caused by neural referral of disturbances from distant disease foci (Huneke), treatment of toxicoses and sensitivities caused by inherited latent phase cell wall deficient microbial forms (stemming from ancestral exposure to infections including syphilis and tuberculosis), which are passed on at birth and can persist for many generations (Enderlein, Spengler), replacement of pathogenic nutrition with a dietotherapy specifically designed to meet the special needs of cancer patients (Gerson, Hildenbrand), removal of environmental and psychological stressors as defined by Hans Selye, and the establishment of a more beneficial mind/body homeostasis according to the findings of psychoneuroimmunology."

• "Desensitization to causal factors. This is accomplished by systematic autogenous vaccination, application of microflora preparations and various specific vaccines."

• "Normalization of secondary damages to the host metabolism (impaired detoxification with subsequent suppression of natural defenses). Treatments include Gerson's dietotherapy, correction of the acid-base balance by treatment of the serum alkalosis and tissue acidosis paradox common in degenerative diseases, hyperthermia, fever therapy (Coley-Nauts), hyperbaric oxygen, ozone, ultraviolet blood irradiation, enzymes, glandulars, organ extracts, and neural therapy (Huneke)."

"Conventional anti-tumor treatments (surgery, radiation, chemotherapy) can be utilitarian and beneficial when modified to support the goals of whole-body comprehensive immunotherapy. In this context, they may be used concomitantly with vaccines, dietotherapy, and other host-protective medical measures. Dosages and duration of treatment with these drugs may be far less than is recommended in the randomized clinical trial protocols by which they achieved regulatory approval, but these modifications are justified by the outcomes of my patients, who achieve quite satisfactory tumor response without the typical side effects of hair loss, bone marrow suppression, and gut disturbances."

[Jennifer]

@Amazoniac said in Cancer:

@Jennifer, if your dad remains committed to conventional methods, perhaps he would be willing to consider this approach:

Immunotherapy in Cancer | Joseph Issels

"There are three general areas of prohost clinical management which are interwoven, and which overlap considerably:"

• "Correction of all known causal factors. This requires surgical elimination of foci of infection (notably head foci of dead teeth and nonfunctional diseased tonsils), immunization against pathogenic microbes and administration of appropriate flora, desensitization of local tissue pathologies caused by neural referral of disturbances from distant disease foci (Huneke), treatment of toxicoses and sensitivities caused by inherited latent phase cell wall deficient microbial forms (stemming from ancestral exposure to infections including syphilis and tuberculosis), which are passed on at birth and can persist for many generations (Enderlein, Spengler), replacement of pathogenic nutrition with a dietotherapy specifically designed to meet the special needs of cancer patients (Gerson, Hildenbrand), removal of environmental and psychological stressors as defined by Hans Selye, and the establishment of a more beneficial mind/body homeostasis according to the findings of psychoneuroimmunology."

• "Desensitization to causal factors. This is accomplished by systematic autogenous vaccination, application of microflora preparations and various specific vaccines."

• "Normalization of secondary damages to the host metabolism (impaired detoxification with subsequent suppression of natural defenses). Treatments include Gerson's dietotherapy, correction of the acid-base balance by treatment of the serum alkalosis and tissue acidosis paradox common in degenerative diseases, hyperthermia, fever therapy (Coley-Nauts), hyperbaric oxygen, ozone, ultraviolet blood irradiation, enzymes, glandulars, organ extracts, and neural therapy (Huneke)."

"Conventional anti-tumor treatments (surgery, radiation, chemotherapy) can be utilitarian and beneficial when modified to support the goals of whole-body comprehensive immunotherapy. In this context, they may be used concomitantly with vaccines, dietotherapy, and other host-protective medical measures. Dosages and duration of treatment with these drugs may be far less than is recommended in the randomized clinical trial protocols by which they achieved regulatory approval, but these modifications are justified by the outcomes of my patients, who achieve quite satisfactory tumor response without the typical side effects of hair loss, bone marrow suppression, and gut disturbances."

Thank you.

[Amazoniac]

@Jennifer, another approach that might suit:

Cancer Treatments | Cancer Center for Healing
↳ Low Dose Chemotherapy

From them:

"Small portions of poultry or fish are also an option for patients who choose to adopt a “Mediterranean” style diet rather than a strictly plant-based (vegan) approach."

[Jennifer]

@Amazoniac said in Cancer:

@Jennifer, another approach that might suit:

Cancer Treatments | Cancer Center for Healing
↳ Low Dose Chemotherapy

From them:

"Small portions of poultry or fish are also an option for patients who choose to adopt a “Mediterranean” style diet rather than a strictly plant-based (vegan) approach."

Thank you, but my dad isn’t getting chemotherapy.

[DavidPS]

Manuka Honey Inhibits Human Breast Cancer Progression in Preclinical Models (July 2024)

Figure 4. Antitumor activity of Manuka honey in human breast cancer xenografts in vivo. Ovariectomized nude mice (nu−/nu−, Charles Rivers) with estradiol supplements were implanted with MCF-7 tumor xenografts SQ and treated with Manuka honey or control administered by oral gavage after tumors achieved a size of 50–75 cm3. Oral gavage (0.1 mL volume) with 50% (w/v) Manuka honey or control was performed twice daily from days 1 to 14, then once daily thereafter to day 42. Treatment with Manuka honey administered orally elicited a significant suppression of MCF-7 xenograft progression as compared to controls (** p < 0.01) n = 5–7 mice per group.

[josh]

I recently read a book “cancer cured: victory over the war on cancer” which i believe Ray Peat helped advise the author on. My mum has cancer, and i think the book was really good.

[Amazoniac]

@Jennifer, I brought it up because a clinic that doesn't reject conventional methods altogether might be faced with less resistance by him. Another advantage is that it's located in national territory, not giving him the impression that he's seeking clandestine treatments abroad.

[Jennifer]

@Amazoniac said in Cancer:

@Jennifer, I brought it up because a clinic that doesn't reject conventional methods altogether might be faced with less resistance by him. Another advantage is that it's located in national territory, not giving him the impression that he's seeking clandestine treatments abroad.

I see. He’s halfway through treatment and doing well, but I’ll keep the center in mind. Thank you.

[yerrag]

@lactose said in Cancer:

Did anyone here encountered cancer(in your self/in someone close to you). If so, what you did/doing to cure it? If you didn't, but you have some knowledge - what would you do to cure it? I know that different cancer need different approach - but hey, it's still cancer.

Cancer threads are like Alice in Wonderland. You get into a lot of rabbit holes. I stay away from it except to make this kind of commentary. And to say the essence in a cure is in its simplicity. When it gets very complicated and you don't know where to even begin, you are so trapped already in a labyrinth and you feel like a cockroach being experimented on.

Go back to the basics. Balance. And the body will heal itself. It is about the terrain. And you have to get the body back to where it can get back its own wisdom.