Any experiences with DHT?
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@Crypt-Keeper The point is to prevent evaporation of ethanol off the skin after application. I cannot remember the numbers mentioned from Georgi, but I think the absorption % is significantly diminished if it is just ethanol, as in under 10% absorption
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@Bye4ever Thank you, that is very interesting info. That could explain why my 100% DMSO solutions don't perform well. I think the DMSO evaporates so quickly. Sometimes there is a very faint, barely visible white residue which means some of the powder is not penetrating.
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@Crypt-Keeper I formulated Test, DHT, DHEA in DMSO last year. I did not like it. In my optics, I think ethanol/tocopherol is safer for the skin, leaves no smell, and absorbs quickly enough. If you have residues from DMSO application, it could be the concentration issue. I just don't like DMSO it's too abrasive long term on my skin.
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Do you think using Pansterone + kuinone topically on scrotum at a few drops/day is a sustainable way to get a boost of androgens?
And what could you recommend for an acute boost pre workout for increase aggression and power? It would likely be sublingual/buccal, right? But what androgen in particular would you think would be best 1-2x/wk? DHT? Anadrol? Var? Tren?
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@jamezb46 You're better off just taking steroids, feel the pain, touch some grass, and come back down to your senses
Haven't found a pure pregnenolone product ever. I've trialed a couple of brands. So I do not take pregnenolone. This is also what you will hear Ray and Danny say.
Scrotum application is totally unnecessary if you are aiming at absorption - which presumably is the goal.
All suspension steroids, in conventional doses, are more than enough to give you higher blood pressure/NO boost, you might have to read that twice...Enough..DHT cannot be compared to Anadrol or Tren.
Focus on proper gut health, insulin sensitivity and keeping your endogenous hormone in the upper range. Steroids are not the way long term, never will, and never can - from a long term perspective that is. That is just my opinion, after 12 years of trial and error.
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https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/bio-identical-dht-vs-synthetic-dht.21740/
bio-identical DHT:
-makes you calm en sleepy
-you feel very happy
-Obvious dopamine increase- better focus
-more anti-estrogenic than proviron (probably because metabolite androsterone)
-better vision
-joke around alot
-very social
-not liver toxic
-increase in respect
-makes you smarter/ increased creativity
-makes things bigger downstairs
-gives me less vasocontriction
-makes skin ticker too - no disire for sex at all
- high confidence
- increase in leg and arm hair
- weirdly enough made me feel even stronger than proviron
- better focus
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@wester130 how much did you take? Orally or topically? Thanks
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@wester130 Proviron is not DHT? It is like comparing masteron propionate injection to DHT topical application.
Some of the things you are describing are very loose and subjective. Overall I think DHT is a strong anti-stress hormone. Mentally very calming.
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@wester130 interesting how dht turns down desire for sex, it seems most libido nowadays is estrogen induced
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@BeamsOfEnergy I was quoting someone else
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@thyroidchor27 Totally on point. This is my conclusion as well. Esp. if you're also taking progesterone. Today the men are hyper-sexualised. When I was in the business of hormones...Clients were basically assessing if their dose was correct based on their horniness, which usually meant taking over 150mg of testosterone, usually 250-500mg pr week...which is crazy
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why does dht reduce spinal bone density?
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@wester130 Probably because T and especially E2 were reduced by DHT:
DHT treatment increased serum DHT with complete suppression of serum T, luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, and estradiol throughout the 24-month study resulting in reduced spinal bone density.
Sounds like 70mg transdermal DHT daily is bad for your health.
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@Bye4ever any comment on dianabol?
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@sushi_is_cringe
Dbol + DHTE makes my mouth water
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@jamezb46 would probably be quite euphoric
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@sushi_is_cringe
Female track athletes in East Germany given turinabol are reported to have developed an “addiction” to masturbation. Doesn’t that sounds like fun
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@jamezb46 mein fräuleins
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continued improvements in athletics, a nearly profound recovery from previously somewhat chronic low-grade and annoying issues, and muscle fullness and a subtle recomp of the physique through a combination of fat and water loss.
Today I had a really spontaneous correction of jogging and running posture that started from my feet, which got springy and bouncy.
Noticeable change in voice sometimes shortly after application.
Good libido is translating to a lust for life.
I might switch to oral dosing dissolved in tocopherols for a more systemic effect. Right now I’m still applying transdermally, 8-12 mg a day.I saw georgi and another user here say 25mg per day is probably not suppressive and georgi says in a post in 2016, that might be the ideal dose iirc.
fwiw 70mg transdermal lowered T after a couple years daily dosing in a study
i may do oral dosing 5mg 3x a day and add some progesterone
have been considering halo or dianabol but maybe we dont even have to use those drugs for top tier physique and athletics.
apparently halo can be doses without noticeable toxicity but it has a fluorine part which haidut says is toxic
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I've triend DHT transdermal in different formulations, made by myself and also the one from pannacottas. I never felt much at different doses, including no obvious negatives, maybe just a bit more unshakeable by events. Also made a vitE oral/bucccal version, that one gave me a very slight calm euphoric feeling. This formula was hard to dose in higher range so never tried more than 10mg iirc.
I wonder not really feeling the transdermal dht is because of the enzymes in the skin converting dht to 3a-diol, which is a much lesser potent androgen but does have more gabaergic effects.
Testosterone I do feel in the same transdermal formulations. Testosterone also very clearly makes me less tired during and after all kinds of excercise. Maybe because I end up, paradoxically, with more dht because of 5a-reductase in the skin.
DrostanoloneP/E injections I also do feel but nothing amazing like some claim. Just a more steady, calm demeanor and slightly improved energy and nice body recomp without significant mass gain. It is something I might plan to keep doing low dose, like 30mg eod.
Proviron seems to do nothing acutely but over time it does seem to have a slight anabolic/recomp effect, also makes loads more concentrated/thicker.
Would love to try IM DHTE/P but can't find a source and dont want to bother to homebrew because of my limited chem knowledge and equipment.
Safest and most effective way to boost DHT, to me, seems transdermal T, maybe with very low dose exemestane on hand.
