New "Mission" of RPF

FWIW, I don't have a lot of specific dates in my head, but by the time I found RP's writings on the internet and became interested, there were already one or two FB groups dedicated to discussing his work (and more came later). The RP Forum came a year or couple of years after that I believe, so Dr. Peat's presence and popularity online had already been established to a certain degree and seemed to be growing by the time the RP Forum started up. And I don't recall a 'Charlie' being in any of the groups I was a member of and interacted in, not that that necessarily means anything... FB was just a logical place to get more info on Peat, interact and see what people were saying at the time.

@yerrag

I would also add that charismatics are oriented towards the God from within in the Holy Spirit while the Fundies are oriented towards the God from without.

Interesting take… Are you a Christian?

@Ivy Do you remember lampofred? That was one of my favorite RPF members. Not sure where they are now.

@C-Mex 'Deliberate' because his name is being used without permission (ostensibly, based on the comment). This is already unethical to begin with. Especially ballsy to do while the man was alive, and then to allow advertisements or links to shopping websites to further profit from his name. If so, in hindsight, Ray Peat should have been more vocal about his disapproval of someone appropriating his identity for third-party commercial means. Now that Ray Peat cannot defend himself the 'deliberate' attack is intensified (e.g. "The name remains.")

yerrag

@AltarandThrone said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag

I would also add that charismatics are oriented towards the God from within in the Holy Spirit while the Fundies are oriented towards the God from without.

Interesting take… Are you a Christian?

I was raised Catholic.

From personal experience, I suffered for doing the right thing for my immediate family. My famiy is deeply religious Catholic.. They follow rules without by the letter. They are programmed to rigidly follow everything the Ten Commandments says to the letter.

That made me realize that is how that kind of thinking made us chained to allowing injustice to continue with the false notion of leaving everything for Jesus in the afterlife or at end times to remedy. We cannot remedy it ourselves, even though Jesus told us about the Holy Spirit, who gives us inspiration and courage.

I consider myself a believer in God the Father and the Holy Spirit, but not a Christian as that requires a belief in Jesus as God where all Christian need to go thru in prayers - thanking, praising, petitioning, asking for forgiveness. The hopefulness all Christians possess in acting for an externality in Jesus to be a magic bullet for all evil is a vehicle for extreme helplessness as it doesn't allow each believer to take corrective action to make the world better meaningfully. The sphere where they do good is limited to their small bubble of family of friends, but on a larger scale they allow the noosphere to be controlled by a perpetual evil set of masters that would never give peace and justice a chance.

Christians don't know it, but they are mostly driven by fear rather than by love. A humanist following ancient codes such as the Baghavad Gita are better Christians in spirit than Christians in understanding Jesus in spirit.

yerrag

@yerrag We live practically in a Judeo-based "rules-based" order masked as Christian society and civilization.

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

A humanist following ancient codes such as the Baghavad Gita are better Christians in spirit than Christians in understanding Jesus in spirit.

A person following Bhagavad Gita is not a 'humanist' but a Hindu.

There are alternatives to living in the Judeo-Christian world. For example, the Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist and Chinese worlds.

@jwayne I guess I read 'deliberate misinformation' as 'disinformation'. I actually don't remember when the advertising started on the RPF, but I thought it was added in later. There was some naive misinterpretation and learning that may or may not have been immediately corrected on the FB groups, and I'm pretty sure he knew about those groups. We were all aware that he was not affiliated or present (the groups were called RP "fans" or "inspired" to indicate this), but he didn't mention concern with how his name was being used per se, with the RPF, but with the information therein. At least that is how I interpreted the e-mail. I can't really speculate as to why he didn't act on it.

@jwayne Good points, though. HIghly unethical to begin with.

@C-Mex Maybe he initially thought there was something surreptitious but enough people interested in earnest arrived. This would make more sense if as I recall the site did not sell any products for some time, and seemed to be just an online discussion board.

I might've missed it before but the scrolling banner now clearly states that the Ray Peat 'Diet' is "toxic and dangerous".

mexican_coke_fan

@yerrag
Curious, do you read the Bible? How did you come to believe in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but not the Son, Jesus?

yerrag

@mexican_coke_fan

I have read parts of the bible, but not all of it.

I explained my reason for not believing in Jesus as God already. I don't believe in sola scriptura, so I don't believe in using the bible as the sole basis for what I believe in. If that were the basis for you, may I ask why you believe in that?

TheSir

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

The hopefulness all Christians possess in acting for an externality in Jesus to be a magic bullet for all evil is a vehicle for extreme helplessness as it doesn't allow each believer to take corrective action to make the world better meaningfully.

What would it mean to make the world better meaningfully? What meaningful improvements have we achieved since the dawn of agriculture? Our grand achievement is that we have gradually turned ourselves sick, weak, ugly and stupid. We have uprooted everything that is necessary for our wellbeing. No community, no traditions, no harmony with nature, no healthy culture, no good food. We used to have everything we needed before we came up with the idea that the world could somehow be improved.

Since our largest efforts seem to only make things worse for everyone involved, the most rational thing for us to do is to stop trying to fix the world. The world is a lost cause, and trying to save it will not just waste your time, it might cost you your soul. Evidently any possible hope for us humans, as well as the world itself, can be found in nothing lesser than God himself. Rather than learned helplessness, this is lucidity given by 10 000 years of hard evidence.

The sphere where they do good is limited to their small bubble of family of friends, but on a larger scale they allow the noosphere to be controlled by a perpetual evil set of masters that would never give peace and justice a chance.

It is mere supply and demand in action. What can Christians - or any group for that matter - do against a sick population producing the demand for a sick noosphere? A population has the masters it deserves, as the flaws of the masters are but a reflection of the flaws of the population and what the latter deems permissible (even if begrudgingly).

The only sphere where an individual can realistically be expected to do good is their family and friends. Is it not so? How much influence do you really have over what is going on even in the government of your own municipality, let alone your country, or another country altogether? It is, in most cases, wishful or delusional thinking to believe that one's potential sphere of influence could reach much farther than their immediate environment. Therefore, the most an individual can be asked to do is to take care of the people close to them. If everyone did this, the world would fix itself. It is in no way the fault of the people doing just this that others are not doing it too. What are you doing more than your family?

yerrag

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

Evidently any possible hope for us humans, as well as the world itself, can be found in nothing lesser than God himself. Rather than learned helplessness, this is lucidity given by 10 000 years of hard evidence.

As I said, you can rely on the God from within and not on the God from without.

Let's just stick to the last 2000 years ok? Is that fair? By conquest, Rome has spread Christianity from the middle east to all of Europe and then to Asia and to the rest of the world. And what really has Christianity done? Does the American people really favor what their government and military has done in the Second World War? What is Christian Europe doing but for the most part be led by the chain to keep on making war for whatever flimsy excuse? And what do the Christian churches do but merely stand by and pray and pray, avoiding "violence" while allowing violence by not standing up with its faithful to the evil in their own governments? Where are the Christian martyrs? Where are knights in battle array ready to take up the sword to fight for justice for the "least of our brothers?" Instead, we see the fake Christian US Armed Forces, serving the cause of Zionism, supporting Israel because whatever sitting US president is a puppet elected by a largely Christian electorate brainwashed to support "the chosen people" because Jesus will save them in the Rapture to reward them for favoring "his people.." While the other Christian who think the Rapture is garbage eschatology and pure manipulation by Zionists, just stand by and pray the Rosary for Mary's intercession to Jesus to -what else- save them.

All are helpless. In need of saving! By an external all-[powerful entity in Christ Jesus the Messiah. And very hopeful but hopeless in the infinity of time that Jesus will come and save them. Faith in the non-existent that is to come keeps them as eternal slaves to the powers that be as they die and let their children, and their children's children, keep this nonsense going on while the Zionists and their sycophants keep getting more entrenched in feeding off this brainwashed mass of humans.

It's better off to be born without this brainwashing and abide by natural law, and to be guided by humanistic philosophies such as Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, and Manichaeism. For that may still bring true hope that society will once again develop and not degrade as the government is formed by meritocracy where public servants are respected because they are raised on ethical standards and shame exists as a code exists that serves the common good. This is love expressed in the highest levels of society.

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

It is mere supply and demand in action. What can Christians - or any group for that matter - do against a sick population producing the demand for a sick noosphere? A population has the masters it deserves, as the flaws of the masters are but a reflection of the flaws of the population and what the latter deems permissible (even if begrudgingly).

You betray a lack of perspective from not knowing at all any history behind the cause of the sick population. Was that a product of God's design or by a conspiracy by a group of evil men to game the system to slowly but surely build a population of sick and stupid people whom they can use as Orcs? Have you ever heard of the Flexner Report?

Being knowledgeable enough and having been in the RP Forum long enough, it seems you favor trolling with your pretense at ignorance with your line of reasoning.

yerrag

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

The only sphere where an individual can realistically be expected to do good is their family and friends. Is it not so? How much influence do you really have over what is going on even in the government of your own municipality, let alone your country, or another country altogether? It is, in most cases, wishful or delusional thinking to believe that one's potential sphere of influence could reach much farther than their immediate environment. Therefore, the most an individual can be asked to do is to take care of the people close to them. If everyone did this, the world would fix itself. It is in no way the fault of the people doing just this that others are not doing it too. What are you doing more than your family?

Let's say you were able to become successful at being a great philosopher king kind of person and become the forerunner of a modern ruler that will not allow the COVID Hoax to be used to harm your people. Okay, say you were the mayor of a town that became so successful at getting rid of graft and corruption, and that you were also successful at getting a set of officials to earn their wings at good government. And that you were able to inspire a movement that will free your country from being a vassal to the US hegemony.

How likely is it that you will die soon? To keep you from fulfilling your goals of serving the people and the common good?

Do you not think that is what I meant when I said we are limited to a small sphere of influence? Or do I need to explain to you more? Please don't feign ignorance this time.

Peatful

I am not here to gossip
Or be trite

With that

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/god-is-about-to-take-the-united-states-back-low-toxin-lifestyle-is-part-of-the-restoration.52684/

Genuinely concerning
On the brink of scary

TheSir

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

As I said, you can rely on the God from within and not on the God from without.

I am unable to infer exactly what you mean by that. What is the difference between the two in the context of one's practical life?

All are helpless. In need of saving! By an external all-[powerful entity in Christ Jesus the Messiah. And very hopeful but hopeless in the infinity of time that Jesus will come and save them. Faith in the non-existent that is to come keeps them as eternal slaves to the powers that be as they die and let their children, and their children's children, keep this nonsense going on while the Zionists and their sycophants keep getting more entrenched in feeding off this brainwashed mass of humans.

It seems that you are critizicing Christianity for its failure to be something which it was never intended to be. The most fundamental function of Christianity is to offer a permanent solution to a person who has actually tried their best to be good, and, like anyone who has attempted to be good, been unable to satisfy the uncompromosing standards of the law that is their own conscience. In other words, Christ gives an exit strategy to the person who wants to be moral yet is trapped in a vessel of immorality. Thus in general, an inability to fathom the need for Christ reveals a person who has never truly tried to be good.

That Christianity is used as a foundation to earthly culture or politics and is subsequently generating abominable outcomes is not at all the fault of what Christ is, does or advocates for, but the fault of how humans pervert Truth in their pursuit of an Earthly paradise. Every example in your reply serves to show precisely why we need more of the grace of Christ and less of our own, misguided deeds.

Let's just stick to the last 2000 years ok? Is that fair?

Unfortunately no, as that would not deliver an accurate picture of our downfall which began with the advent of agriculture and kickstarted our physical and mental degeneration. I do certainly understand your urgency to focus strictly on the timespan in which Christianity was born and developed, as a larger picture than that would invalidate many of the points with which you are hoping to paint Christianity as a disaster to mankind.

It's better off to be born without this brainwashing and abide by natural law, and to be guided by humanistic philosophies such as Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, and Manichaeism. For that may still bring true hope that society will once again develop and not degrade as the government is formed by meritocracy where public servants are respected because they are raised on ethical standards and shame exists as a code exists that serves the common good. This is love expressed in the highest levels of society.

Yes, living in an utopia would be nice. Due to the imperfections innate to man, evident in history and present day alike, there is no good reason to assume that this would be attainable. It is too easy to refute existing paradigms with pipe dreams, yet exceedingly hard to refute them with something that is known to exist or have existed.

Was that a product of God's design or by a conspiracy by a group of evil men to game the system to slowly but surely build a population of sick and stupid people whom they can use as Orcs?

Clearly it is both. Evil men can only ride on the backs of our sins. Their success is a dynamic testament to our failure to live responsibly. Their rule would end the minute we regained our sense of virtue. It's not a conspiracy when the ones being conspired against are willingly perpetuating the conspirators' power with their own deeds.

Let's say you were able to become...

But you are not, the people around you are not, and the masses at large are not. This is very much the wishful speculation I am motivated to point out. Those once-in-a-century men who are destined for greatness will inevitably manifest that, be they Christian or humanist. Such men raise the masses behind them and even change the direction of mankind. In absence of these men, however, it is pointless to rally people as if their leader already existed. It is far more productive to simply teach them to live righteously instead, and so deprive the evil powers of their sustenance.

Or do I need to explain to you more? Please don't feign ignorance this time.
Being knowledgeable enough and having been in the RP Forum long enough, it seems you favor trolling with your pretense at ignorance with your line of reasoning.

I urge you to clearly spell out every point you are looking to make. You can't ascribe our lack of mind-reading powers to malicious intent such as trolling or feigned ignorance.

yerrag

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

am unable to infer exactly what you mean by that. What is the difference between the two in the context of one's practical life?

The Holy Spirit is where you get inspiration and courage. It is from within you. It spurs you to think better and to act with wisdom and be filled with God. We could say our creativity does not come our own mind even, but from the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is whom you turn to in prayer to ask to come to your aid. In supplication, for forgiveness, for petitioning a change in state, in your condition or for someone else. You don't actively get yourself in the process of doing an action , but receive the grace from a favorable change in outcome from God thru Jesus. This is a grace that comes from the outside.

I don't know your religion and it may be hard for you to understand but let me know as I can explain it better next time with the Holy Spirit inspiring me.

ThinPicking

@Peatful said in New "Mission" of RPF:

Genuinely concerning
On the brink of scary

Agreed. I'm just peering over without crossing said brink. It's probably not actually scary, that's probably just the abyss looking back at me.

And on some level I'm taking some notes. These people can never keep "their" mouths shut. Same with that troubled Argentinian chap.

"The world is about to get filled with rockstars." he said. Not quite...