New "Mission" of RPF

Lately I've been questioning the origins of "Charlie" and the forum in the first place. I probably got linked by a FB group to the forum, but whoever started the forum wasn't anybody that I was aware of at the time, and I was pretty much searching around for more information, discussion groups and context of Ray Peat after reading a few of his articles online. I guess 'Charlie' could have been on Reddit or some other group if there was such a thing at the time (I don't remember), as he must have interacted or at least read somewhere to even know that there would be an interest in starting a forum discussing RP's work, which he apparently established anonymously and used a pseudonym for his online owner/moderator name, not suspect at all...

The latest villain, coconut oil...

@TheSir

Yes, and my sincere apologies if this is a real person, but I have become aware of interacting with AI on Twitter online which seems genuine but gives subtle clues. As the technology improves we may not be able tell the diffrerence, and part of the scam is establishing a seemingly legitimate online history in order to give the appearance of authenticity. I'm always skeptical in these conversion stories where people have suddenly seen the light or purportedly suddenly realized they've taken the wrong path, especially as it relates to established and credible sources like Ray Peat vs these charlatans that appear on the scene with the solutions to chronic problems which people are desperate to solve.

@ilovethesea This saga of Garett Smith on Twitter and RPF Forum deliberate misinformation is more duplicitous than I expected. And to think Ray Peat expressed his disdain in 2018, which means he was aware of it even earlier (possibly even for years). It seems clear to me that 'Charlie' is well-aware and intentional in his monetary appropriation and slander of Ray Peat, and the apparent motivation is that he is underhandingly receiving money from Garrett Smith or at least signalling his intention to alliance with him like a sycophant.

In any case, none of this "Vitamin A" discussion is about health, medicine or nutrition (or God!) but is a marketing ploy to sell clients to Garrett Smith. It's just a business scheme, and a kind of fraud upon the principles which Ray Peat stood for.

wzuo

@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:

The latest villain, coconut oil...

I was banned for reply on that post

Peatful

If this wasn’t so ill
It would be funny

So
OBviOuS

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/emf-protection.52726/

Peatful

@jwayne said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@ilovethesea This saga of Garett Smith on Twitter and RPF Forum deliberate misinformation is more duplicitous than I expected. And to think Ray Peat expressed his disdain in 2018, which means he was aware of it even earlier (possibly even for years). It seems clear to me that 'Charlie' is well-aware and intentional in his monetary appropriation and slander of Ray Peat, and the apparent motivation is that he is underhandingly receiving money from Garrett Smith or at least signalling his intention to alliance with him like a sycophant.

In any case, none of this "Vitamin A" discussion is about health, medicine or nutrition (or God!) but is a marketing ploy to sell clients to Garrett Smith. It's just a business scheme, and a kind of fraud upon the principles which Ray Peat stood for.

Breath of fresh air I needed this morning

Bless you

Peatful

@wzuo

Truth sounds like hate
When they hate the Truth

@Peatful It's over. The "forum" is now a recruitment board for getting Garrett Smith clients. Toxic Bile Theory is just a keyword for advertising to make sales. There's no science to it that's why they lean heavily on religious expressions for their argument (e.g. "It is Written"). The intention is to just farm traffic with annoying headlines and lazy posts that aren't even written coherently. They will continue with "Gotcha!" studies to keep pushing for business leads and continue banning anyone who frustrates them with valid inquiry or points out the obvious subterfuge.

Peatful

@jwayne correct

It’s so clear
So clear

But
What can realistically be done about it?

I guess those still active there
(Those that aren’t burner accounts)
Are the folks that polled in saying they thought the vaxxxine was to help people?

https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-real-vax-reason-cast-your-vote.41787/

BioS

The way Smith writes it's very clear that he is quite good at self-promotion, and uses the classic "copywriting" format: short sentences, simple words, many newlines, attention-grabbing, emotional baiting etc...But on the scientific front, he is an abject and disgraceful failure. No one should heed his advice.

Regina

@jwayne Flying monkeys usually get hung out to dry.
I don't see how Charlie "wins" anything in the end.
Is Garret Smith just an agent?

S.Holmes

@Regina It appears that what Charlie gets out of it is customers. It's the old bait and switch. "All you need to do is avoid A and all your problems magically disappear." Once you're sold on "A is a poison" it's "Oh, btw, you also need several minerals, niacin, and fiber, etc., which you may conveniently purchase from my online store." I have no problem with anyone selling health products (I buy some from Georgi/Idealabs) but the way he is going about this just seems so unethical.

CO3

@Kvothe He's going insane.

ilovethesea

@TheSir so Charlie started following Garrett in 2022, the exact year that Garrett began his anti Ray Peat attack... interesting.

So is Charlie just a gullible orthorexic that succumbed to Garrett’s aggressive anti-Peat marketing tactics as well his dogwhistling “fellow Christians” and “Bill Gates is trying to kill us” angles?

Or did Charlie get an offer he couldn’t refuse in exchange for promoting Garrett’s ideology?

To me Garrett is the most suspicious character and may be controlled. He’s advocating for a prison diet (rice and beans), and calls vitamin A and progesterone toxic, vitamin D “rat poison” and T3 dangerous.

Also the whole thing about “getting people off thyroid medication” by fixing their liver. Is that really the case though? Keeping the population hypothyroid and reducing access to thyroid medicine is in the best interests of the ruling class.

ilovethesea

@C-Mex does anyone know if charlie ever talked about struggling with the Ray Peat way prior to 2022? I can’t find it now but I know he said something recently about it ruining his teeth. Here he says it was “killing him” to the point he went fruitarian before finding Garrett. Was this ever mentioned before?

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Also interesting he had to “destroy $50k worth of stock” from his store when he saw the light and realized Garrett Smith was the answer. If true, then he makes a lot more from Life giving store than I thought. What business owner would willingly destroy stock unless they knew they had another source of income coming in to replace it?

yerrag

@A-Former-User said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag don't throw Baby Jesus out with the baptismal water!
You just need a God encounter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLKo7-WTFN4

Jesus to me is a great and holy man. A son of God, but so are we. He is greater than each of us is, and he is wise and his counsel I heed. But he is not a god. He was crucified and made an example of by the tptb that continues to control the world. The world is controlled by those he warned us against. Those that make laws that don't serve man.

But to me the Pharisees and Saducees are embodied in the created church called Christianity (the whole church and all its divisions and sects but all one in believing in the triune God) that extended the control of these earthly and evil powers from merely the Jews to the entirety of mankind.

The control has been very effective. In recent history, we see how they subjected us to the hoax of COVID and the hoax of global warming. What did the entirety of Christian leaders do but kowtow in abeisance?

yerrag

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

I think you might be creating an unnecessary divide between the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit does not have a will of its own, but rather is a medium for Christ's work within us. When you turn to Jesus in prayer, Jesus responds to you via the Holy Spirit. Whether you are inspired to action or something else, it is channeled by external God through the Holy Spirit into your inner heart. Thus whether we refer to this as an external or internal process is not necessarily anything more than semantics.

You see fit to go thru Jesus for the gifts that you already have thru the Holy Spirit, because you have been programmed that way.

I was programmed that way too, but because I can override the programming, I see that going directly and using the gifts without having to go thru Jesus in enabling. I can go straight to God without coursing thru a medium (Jesus).

yerrag

@Regina said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@yerrag Very well said insights.

Thanks Regina.

When we look at Genesis and how the snake is evil for offering Adam and Eve the apple, what really did the apple offer but knowledge? How evil is knowledge? How evil is knowing that being naked is to be frowned upon, and to be ashamed of? Animals have fur to clothe them, but we don't.

There in the first book of the bible, we already know where the book is leading us into.

God loves us to give us the ability to learn and to know and to guide us with the gift of the Holy Spirit to use knowledge with wisdom.

The powers that be that wrote the bible wanted us to be ignorant.

fiester

@yerrag said in New "Mission" of RPF:

@TheSir said in New "Mission" of RPF:

I think you might be creating an unnecessary divide between the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit does not have a will of its own, but rather is a medium for Christ's work within us. When you turn to Jesus in prayer, Jesus responds to you via the Holy Spirit. Whether you are inspired to action or something else, it is channeled by external God through the Holy Spirit into your inner heart. Thus whether we refer to this as an external or internal process is not necessarily anything more than semantics.

You see fit to go thru Jesus for the gifts that you already have thru the Holy Spirit, because you have been programmed that way.

I was programmed that way too, but because I can override the programming, I see that going directly and using the gifts without having to go thru Jesus in enabling. I can go straight to God without coursing thru a medium (Jesus).

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6, KJV)

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” (1 Timothy 2:5, KJV)