New "Mission" of RPF
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@C-Mex Yes, totally agree with you
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@Barghest Yeah, it kinda goes back to something I started noticing several years ago. A significant majority of forum users in health spheres are there because they already don't feel well. On average, health forums don't attract healthy people because healthy people have no interest. They attract sick people trying to become healthy. And when there is no unified theory as to what health is, except for the possible vague term "lack of sickness," no two people are going to be after the same thing.
Also, fat people will probably hate me for saying this, but losing weight is actually one of the more easier things to do. Correcting chronic aliments is what's hard. If all someone needs to do is lose weight then cut the fucking calories. If you can't do that on your own, then hire a personal trainer and set up a meal plan and exercise plan. There's plenty of people in bioenergetics that can help someone do that. Hans being a perfect example.
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@Mulloch94 yeah you can lose weight following literally any diet, you don't need Ray or paelo or vegan, Ray was focused on different issues, not weight loss and bodybuilding
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Good insights. And congratulations on your success!!
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@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Is there any truth to the rumour that his house was broken into and papers ruffled before he was interviewed by the guys filming On the Back of a Tiger? Then the film was never actually completed, just the raw footage released
Yes that’s from me. The filmmakers reached out to people who had donated when they were travelling around filming, I think this was around 2015? So I met up with them when they were in my city and they told me this directly in person. Apparently these break ins happened to Ray periodically over the years. That was why they filmed the footage at some Air BnB not his house. I also recall them telling me that at first he was extremely reluctant to participate. He probably only did so after learning how much the community had donated to make it happen.
In retrospect we all should have given the money directly to him. Another comment I remember was them telling me they were shocked he was poor.
They also told me even back then that RPF was being watched. Think that may have come from Georgi.
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@Barghest this exactly. I’ve gained some weight peating. I also feel substantially less autistic, anxious, and neurotic.
Peating isn’t and was never about losing weight. The only people who are likely going to lose weight peating are people who are severely estrogen/cortisol dominant and overweight for that reason.
If someone’s whole idea of “health” is “I am lean” then I can definitely see peating being a disappointment.
Peating for me has mirrored the progress I made on my autism in my late teens with LSD, but rather than being cured all at once semi-temporarily, it’s been incremental permanent improvements over a long period of time. IMO, anything that moves me in this liberating direction mentally is objectively good.
But yeah, I’ve gained like 20 lbs… must be from my liver not working due to vitamin A toxicity. Better become a neurotic gaunt skeleton…
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@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@C-Mex said in New "Mission" of RPF:
Is there any truth to the rumour that his house was broken into and papers ruffled before he was interviewed by the guys filming On the Back of a Tiger? Then the film was never actually completed, just the raw footage released
Yes that’s from me. The filmmakers reached out to people who had donated when they were travelling around filming, I think this was around 2015? So I met up with them when they were in my city and they told me this directly in person. Apparently these break ins happened to Ray periodically over the years. That was why they filmed the footage at some Air BnB not his house. I also recall them telling me that at first he was extremely reluctant to participate. He probably only did so after learning how much the community had donated to make it happen.
In retrospect we all should have given the money directly to him. Another comment I remember was them telling me they were shocked he was poor.
They also told me even back then that RPF was being watched. Think that may have come from Georgi.
This makes me sad beyond belief, but I believe he chose to live simply and that is how he could do his work with integrity and not be beholden to anyone. I think he had/has a house in a general area near the University as he walked by me on the street once when I was visiting Eugene on a road trip many years ago. He walked briskly by toward an area with nightlife and outdoor cafes at around sunset and looked as if he was going somewhere. He said a quick hello as I did a double take but I was shell-shocked enough to not react except to look over my shoulder and watch him go.
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Wanted to drop in and say hello to some old names and mentors. I was mostly a lurker but also a voracious reader and wanted to let all of you know that you guys and gals are great.
The contributions made sharing info, self experimentation, and especially help offered won't be forgotten.
We'll carry Ray's torch forward within the greater bioenergetic movement no matter what forum or group we find ourselves in. Hat tip
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@saturnuscv yeah, I had six-pack abs you could ricochet bullets off of when I was over-training. But I also had insomnia, had to get up to pee frequently at night, stammered through conversations and barely spoke up. Often tongue-tied and looked down when people talked to me.
Now, I am sometimes amazed at my improved lingual skills. I'm sortof glib even. Assertively witty.
I sleep like the dead.
I only took LSD twice. It gave me temporary freedom from those symptoms too.
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@C-Mex I was sad hearing that too, but I believe you are right it was by choice. I recall someone telling me they sent him money and he never even cashed the checks. Makes it all the more infuriating to see a dirtbag grifter like Smith smearing Ray’s name and Charlie propping him up into god-like status.
@yerrag interesting theory that Charlie was replaced. I remember you saying that about Tara during Covid and I agree her stance was weird as hell for a supposed longtime Ray Peat follower. If RPF was indeed being “watched” (as the filmmakers told me) then it only makes sense they would have “plants”. As for Charlie, I was there since 2013 and I remember he was always a bit authoritarian but not religious. Maybe they replaced him at some point with this new “end times” persona he has now? It definitely makes a mockery of everything Ray was about.
@jwayne I noticed Georgi started putting some of his product descriptions on the Idea Labs website instead of linking through to the RPF posts. So he may be doing an Irish exit from the forum.
@Regina I would love to hear more about your diet. You look incredible. It seems like the “new RPF” crew is prioritizing thinness (and green poop???) above all other health markers. I’d rather be a bit fat than have sallow skin, frown lines, veiny arms and grey hair. At least in her before picture she had nice pink skin and a rosy glow.
Anyone know what is the green poop they are supposedly “detoxing”? Could Charlie as the forum owner get in trouble for encouraging this? In light of Blossom’s photos it looks and sounds like they are all making themselves sick.
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@ilovethesea I believe Mike Fave explained the bile colored poop in his very thorough deconstruction of the Toxic A pseudoscience. It isn't a healthy detox by any means. I'll see if I can find it again.
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https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/the-real-vax-reason-cast-your-vote.41787/
13.2% of Ray Peat forum MEMBERS (ones which can vote on a poll) thought the vaxx was to help people.
Shockingly oddIve worked in hospitals for many years.
It is an alternate universe.
Dogma
Indoctrination
Greed
Pride
Laziness
Bitching like you wouldn’t believe
Just so nastyIf Tara was in such an environment
Single mom of a son iirc
She was probably in survival modeCognitive dissonance
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@S-Holmes said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@ilovethesea I believe Mike Fave explained the bile colored poop in his very thorough deconstruction of the Toxic A pseudoscience. It isn't a healthy detox by any means. I'll see if I can find it again.
Here it is. Begin at 12:15
https://youtu.be/twZHuy5EoqA?si=n7WqoScaiw2jX-sH -
@S-Holmes Thank you. Interesting comments from this person under Mike’s video...
@will_of_europa
1 day ago
I'm one of the top researchers under Garret and Grant's camp.
I don't know who Charlie is, only that he's forcing low A down Peat forum's throats.
I do find this odd. As much as I can back all of my claims up with papers, I'm not entirely sure why Charlie has operated in the way that he has. Low A has a lot of enemies as the moment, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility of enemy agents trying to ruin our optics.@will_of_europa
1 day ago (edited)
I'd like to know too. I don't know anybody in the Low A Toxic Bile Theory movement who's actually spoken to Charlie, and I'm one of the leading researchers. Seems odd, and not how I would go about introducing new ideas to somebody else's legacy.@will_of_europa
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As far as I know Garret hasn't even talked to Charlie, or any of us doing TBT theory for that matter. We don't know who he is. -
@ilovethesea said in New "Mission" of RPF:
@S-Holmes Thank you. Interesting comments from this person under Mike’s video...
@will_of_europa
1 day ago
I'm one of the top researchers under Garret and Grant's camp.
I don't know who Charlie is, only that he's forcing low A down Peat forum's throats.
I do find this odd. As much as I can back all of my claims up with papers, I'm not entirely sure why Charlie has operated in the way that he has. Low A has a lot of enemies as the moment, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility of enemy agents trying to ruin our optics.@will_of_europa
1 day ago (edited)
I'd like to know too. I don't know anybody in the Low A Toxic Bile Theory movement who's actually spoken to Charlie, and I'm one of the leading researchers. Seems odd, and not how I would go about introducing new ideas to somebody else's legacy.@will_of_europa
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As far as I know Garret hasn't even talked to Charlie, or any of us doing TBT theory for that matter. We don't know who he is.Phony counter-narrative. They're watching us, lol.
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@C-Mex
What researcher talks in terms of being in a 'camp' with 'papers to back me up'? Why would they care or even know about 'enemies'? What about Smith's own tweets deriding Peat? Sorry, this looks like a cheap attempt to establish legitimacy as a counter movement by claiming anybody would care to try to subvert it.
Everything about this 'toxic a/bile bs convinces me of its invented origins.
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@"Will_of_Europa" you cringey little clown, all three of you have interacted with each other on Twitter at least. It would be commonly doubted that was the extent of your dealings with each other if anyone cared about you too. "the leading researchers". Laughable.
Get on this forum if you think your "research" is sufficient to justify Garrett's campaign.
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“Will of Europa” is lying or isn’t in-the-know as much as he thinks he is.
They know who Charlie is.
Charlie asks them for permission to cross-post information on the forum.
Partly why he stopped posting testimonials from Garrett’s “network.”
