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Ray Peat was a Stalinist

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    TheRealPeater @CO3
    last edited by Mar 13, 2024, 7:32 PM

    @CO3 said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

    anyone with a clear mind and a strong metabolism that is politically engaged in his generation defaulted to supporting the Soviet Union

    Is this the No True Scotsman argument but high CO2?

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      CO3 @buckminster
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        bot-mod @Peatly
        last edited by Mar 16, 2024, 12:51 PM

        @Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

        It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair

        🙂

        (Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")

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          CO3
          last edited by Mar 16, 2024, 6:16 PM

          so no one is going to define Stalinist huh?

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            BioEclectic @CO3
            last edited by BioEclectic Mar 16, 2024, 9:41 PM Mar 16, 2024, 9:33 PM

            @CO3

            A man who yanks his nation from the precipice of perpetual revolution while simultaneously preparing and saving it from fascist juggernaut(s).

            How's that?

            Edit: the beginning could be worded a bit differently but i'll leave it that. It's what my mind came up with in 10 seconds haha.

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              Peatly @bot-mod
              last edited by Mar 17, 2024, 10:47 AM

              @ThinPicking said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

              @Peatly said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

              It didn’t end well for Madalyn Murray O'Hair

              🙂

              (Not an evil grin, honest. Preferably she'd have stuck around until his return and asked him for help with the voices in her head and contempt for her kind. "Um, yea, sugar and thyroid.")

              Do you think she said the Lord’s Prayer as she took her last breath? The very prayer she loathed. I mean, what did she have to lose?

              May she RIP (p is for pieces)

              Bad joke – now I have to do penance – again!

              A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.

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                CO3 @BioEclectic
                last edited by Mar 17, 2024, 5:57 PM

                @BioEclectic Sounds accurate! But I was looking for a definition of 'Stalinist' by those who love to peddle this word. They won't do it sadly because they can't.

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                  bk_ @CO3
                  last edited by Sep 26, 2024, 3:38 PM

                  Great science happens with an open mind. Authoritarianism ruins science. To avoid authoritarianism we must reject personality cults (narcissism). Authoritarian regimes heavily revolve around personality cults, especially Soviet Russia. A more nuanced and balanced approach is required where science itself is up to open debate and investigation.

                  Both sides of the Cold War were flawed. Lysenko and Lamarcke were outright rejected in the west due to politics and Darwinism. The east rejected genetics due to politics and personality cults. The picture we see is somewhere in the middle whereby we see epigenetic and traits and also genetics.

                  Here is an excerpt of what happened to scientists who questioned Lysenko in the Soviet Union:

                  Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned. Several were sentenced to death as enemies of the state, including the botanist Nikolai Vavilov, whose sentence was commuted to prison.[9]

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                    serotoninskeptic @John Grey
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                      bot-mod @bk_
                      last edited by Sep 26, 2024, 4:30 PM

                      They also had no idea how to actually implement "communism". And limped on a legal system that could be described as consolidated or singular corporatism.

                      The KGB operated its "circle of accountability" while fledgeling computer scientists daydreamed of and inched development effort toward a penultimate cybernetic solution. A development effort that appears to continue to this day.

                      And here we are. In the age of "AI". Probably not a good idea to proceed without critique.

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                        LetTheRedeemed @Fructose
                        last edited by Sep 26, 2024, 7:07 PM

                        @Fructose Cuty in the PFP warning.

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                          LetTheRedeemed
                          last edited by LetTheRedeemed Sep 26, 2024, 7:14 PM Sep 26, 2024, 7:13 PM

                          @bk_ said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

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                          I view Peat's take as endearingly skeptical of Western Imperialism.

                          It's ironically trapped in a dialectic that I'd think he'd usually see thru. I think it didn't help that he was alive in time to see authentic ideologues flock to it (basically all the in-crowd of the West), only to be immediately coopted and undercut by the powerbrokers who used it... picture a Bernie Bro still distraught and confused about the Hillary Hijack -- Bernie's handlers may have been in on it from the beginning, unknown to well meaning starbucks baristas.

                          I think he fell for the same populism trap as nazis, and subsequent neo-nazis. There was a whole lot of covert corruption of sincere people who were in the nazi and communist parties, but both sides saw the same problem (with their opposite solutions of course). If you read Marx describe the fallen state of western society, he shared the same concerns as reactionaries toward "progress" destroying poor peoples' stability.

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                            BioEclectic @LetTheRedeemed
                            last edited by BioEclectic Sep 27, 2024, 3:34 PM Sep 27, 2024, 2:53 PM

                            @LetTheRedeemed said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist:

                            @bk_ said in Ray Peat was a Stalinist only to be immediately coopted and undercut by the powerbrokers who used it... picture a Bernie Bro still distraught and confused about the Hillary Hijack -- Bernie's handlers may have been in on it from the beginning, unknown to well meaning starbucks baristas.

                            Bernie Sanders was apparently in on the take, votes shepherded to Hillary Clinton. A slick NEO outreach to Progressives and other anti-fascist types.

                            https://web.archive.org/web/20240810042517/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pHLlTK1CV2K8HEnNaDD0CE2b5igEBQheyt25azSZ_Rw/mobilebasic

                            But what also seems apparent, and imo, just enough voters were taken aback by these events and either stayed home or voted for Trump instead.

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                              LetTheRedeemed @BioEclectic
                              last edited by Sep 27, 2024, 7:17 PM

                              @BioEclectic Solid points, but at this point it's almost cruel to true believers to call out their heroes (be it Sanders or Hitler); at this point I just wanna win hearts and minds and get caring people to collectively tune out of attempting to find the right policy, and instead become better people in their worlds.

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                                WilliamBlake
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