Milk is goyslop
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Massive IGF-1 + estrogen load from modern pregnant-cow
A1 casein opioid-like casomorphin peptides
Drinking a lot of calcium causes mineral imbalances
Ray peat is a retard for promoting it to make things worse at massive doses
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We need to make anti-peat category on this forum, too many retarded newcomers glazing him
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@lykos said in Milk is goyslop:
imbalances
You'll get there lykos.
"It is easier to change a man's religion than to change his diet."
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@ThinPicking fuck ray peat
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@lykos said in Milk is goyslop:
fuck ray peat
@ThinPicking said in I want to bully danny roddy:
@lykos said in I want to bully danny roddy:
before that mentally ill faggot charlie destroyed it
Different context but it also wasn't working out for him.
@lykos said in Has anyone improved their health by peating:
You will find out in a few years
Try to find the moral of the story.
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I find it yummy and good
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@PissBoy said in Milk is goyslop:
I find it yummy and good
Me too. A2 raw milk is delicious and even though I don’t drink nearly as much milk now as I used to, it was very healing for me when I was at my worst. I even sped up my healing doing milk fasts for up to a month at a time.
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Not only do distinctions have to be made as to the type of estrogen but also quantities as
well as estrogen opposing substances in higher quantities. We should also always make food
assessments based on overall effects and long-range health benefits versus detriment. For one, the
type of estrogen found in milk is called estrone sulfate. These are the least harmful estrogens as
they are the least active. Below is a study demonstrating the minuscule quantities found in milk.
One should take away the realization that avoiding real milk because of the so-called estrogen
exposure in favor of nut or seed milks is a self-defeating move. The phytoestrogen in those mockmilks
are a lot higher in quantity and more active. In addition to this, we have traces of iodine,
selenium, and progesterone among other health promoting and supportive substances in real milk.J Dairy Sci. 2010 Jun;93(6):2533-40. doi: 10.3168/jds.2009-2947.
Estrone and 17beta-estradiol concentrations in pasteurized-homogenized milk and commercial
dairy products.
Pape-Zambito DA1, Roberts RF, Kensinger RS.Some individuals fear that estrogens in dairy products may stimulate growth of estrogen-sensitive
cancers in humans. The presence of estrone (E(1)) and 17beta-estradiol (E(2)) in raw whole cow’s
milk has been demonstrated. The objectives of this study were to determine if pasteurizationhomogenization
affects E(2) concentration in milk and to quantify E(1) and E(2) concentrations in
commercially available dairy products. The effects of pasteurization-homogenization were tested
by collecting fresh raw milk, followed by pasteurization and homogenization at 1 of 2
homogenization pressures. All treated milks were tested for milk fat globule size, percentages of
milk fat and solids, and E(2) concentrations. Estrone and E(2) were quantified from organic or
conventional skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milks, as well as half-and-half, cream, and butter samples.
Estrone and E(2) were quantified by RIA after organic solvent extractions and chromatography.
Pasteurization-homogenization reduced fat globule size, but did not significantly affect E(2), milk
fat, or milk solids concentrations. Estrone concentrations averaged 2.9, 4.2, 5.7, 7.9, 20.4, 54.1
pg/mL, and 118.9 pg/g in skim, 1%, 2%, and whole milks, half-and-half, cream, and butter samples,
respectively. 17Beta-estradiol concentrations averaged 0.4, 0.6, 0.9, 1.1, 1.9, 6.0 pg/mL, and 15.8
pg/g in skim, 1%, 2%, whole milks, half-and-half, cream, and butter samples, respectively. The
amount of fat in milk significantly affected E(1) and E(2) concentrations in milk. Organic and
conventional dairy products did not have substantially different concentrations of E(1) and
E(2). Compared with information cited in the literature, concentrations of E(1) and E(2) in bovine
milk are small relative to endogenous production rates of E(1) and E(2) in humans.IGF-1 is not Human Growth Hormone and has vital functions. In fact, one of the necessary qualities of energy storage in the liver is extremely important and IGF-1 has been shown to have an effect in increasing glycogen storage in the liver which is very beneficial.
Regarding "opiod-like" effects:
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Some studies showing these exaggerated negative effects used injections! The whole
peptides entering the bloodstream created many of the problems associated with the
negative effects. So the studies not based on the injections were most likely metabolic
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Most importantly, as it turns out the receptor that the b-casomorphin bind to is the u-receptor.
In other words a receptor that beta-endorphins bind to everyday in everybody
in varying degrees.
Calcium: Milk is not only calcium. It does cause mineral imbalance, it contributes to mineral repletion. The natural presence of sugars like lactose also help with the absorption of minerals.
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@bio3nergetic calcium decreases iron and it has been shown in babies unlike peat i think iron is necessary plus it causes copper imbalance another important mineral, the issue with milk is supermarket goyslop milk is even worse than raw milk which might have some nutritional benefits in context. More natural vitamins (like heat-sensitive Vitamin C, B2 B6, B12) and enzymes (like lipase and phosphatase) that are reduced by pasteurization if not completely destroyed as well ass the probiotic bacteria that support gut health. the denaturing of proteins during pasteurization makes it less digestible or more allergenic for most people. Most milk is full of antibiotics and growth hormones (rBST) in some conventional systems and many cows are grainfed instead of grass, which can alter the fat profile of the milk. Tldr dont bother with goyslop processed milk. No people in history drunk jewed milk until last 100 years.
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"Aryan" from Cyprus can't even handle milk!
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@lykos We can't just making sweeping statements like that. Calcium generally does not negatively impact copper absorption. It can actually improve copper bioavailability by neutralizing acidic compounds like ascorbic acid that otherwise inhibit copper uptake. The reasonable daya show high calcium intake helps maintain copper balance.
It's effect on iron is also dependent on forms, timing, and type. Essentially having calcium either in food form or supplement form away from iron or iron foods ensures virtually no blocking effect. There's the long term 1 year study that even showed a fluctuation in that initially any inhibition, if any, the body compensated its iron absorption at other intervals of time. Also the type of iron matters. Real, animal heme iron is only affected about 20% absorption and again that's if the timing is simultaneous. Non heme which we should probably get less of anyway is affected much higher, again contingent on timing.
Denaturing proteins is also contextual, if we consider the common method of pasteurization, the negative effects do not outweigh milk as a staple. What is most common is known as High-Temperature Short-Time (HTST): 161°F (72°C) for 15 seconds. This is the most common method in the U.S. and denatures maybe 10% of the whey proteins. Casein barely flinches at this method, it is very heat stable. The threshold of creating allergenic proteins is upwards of 30m. This is not at all the time utilized in any common method. Typically, people have PUFA driven enzymatic deficiency, or poorly functioning ones at that. PUFA and starvation can derange our structural and functional proteins, which include immune and redblood cells and enzymes. For example, use progesterone to build lactase enzymes to digest milk better after years of abuse in this environment.
In general, find the best milk possible that agrees with you and taste GOOD. Is raw milk better of course. But in no way is it wise to throw out the baby with the dirty bath water.
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@Kilgore i am not from cypus and i used to drink up to 3 liters of milk a day
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@bio3nergetic @user1 describe what happened to you milkmaxxing
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@lykos Milk is just part of my diet. Usually I do swigs throughout the day. I dont drink water. Oj and milk for thirst and general minerals. I had IBD 25 years ago. Surgery, complications and finally within a decade, troubles started again. 2014 found Peat, everything changed. Perspective, how to think, nutritional thinking in general. I couldn't drink milk before that. After changing diet and general approach, that fixed itself. I went back to studying nutrition and became certified nutritionist. Helped some people, then quit that because generally people were argumentative. My awareness in accessing foods changed, including milk. I can just smell a milk product and know that its legit or not. Some brands brazeningly polluted their milks from the plandemic era when everything was a shit show and farmer and dairies were being subsidized to do what ckntrolling entities wanted them to do. Almost all children's cereals for example swapped their fats out for PUFA. Especially 2021. Milk for example some companies were using bleach at their dairies in less than ideal ways and you could smell it in the milk.
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@bio3nergetic i am not against milk, i am against goyslop supermarket milk, peat should have made distinctions when he promoted it. Drinking 2-3L of supermarket milk a day will make you sick fast unless u live in a country that has high quality dairy like denmark or switzerland.
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I have been wondering about milk too. I drink high quality milk only, so I'm not worried about that. But why should we need all that calcium?
I've read that a good calcium to magnesium ratio is 1-1 or at most 2-1. Even the 2-1 ratio is not really possible on a very high dairy diet.
I've craved lots of milk at times but maybe I was just dehydrated from always using mineral depleted water. (because of my water filter.) I think I'm craving milk less now that I stopped filtering my water.
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@bio3nergetic said in Milk is goyslop:
Calcium generally does not negatively impact copper absorption. It can actually improve copper bioavailability by neutralizing acidic compounds like ascorbic acid that otherwise inhibit copper uptake. The reasonable daya show high calcium intake helps maintain copper balance.
There are so many reports of high-dairy-consumption induced copper deficiency on pubmed I ask you to look up.
High dairy consumption appears to be one of the few trialled and proven ways to bring about copper deficiency. And calcium is usually reported to antagonize copper uptake.
Also, in the early days of cow milk infant formulas, babies died because of the nutritional lack of copper in comparison to human breast milk.For the argument of modern dairy product / milks, for the most part and since the 1930s onwards, being utter garbage and to the long-term detriment of the peoples world-wide everybody please also look up your national cattle surveillance spot check statistics showing consistent 20-30% detection rate of mycobacteria across all batches before pasteurization.
About half of them are still clearly infectious after that sloppy heat treatment. Milk powder and infant formula included.
Survival of Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis in retail pasteurised milk
I don't claim dairy products and milks and butters are bad per se.
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@lykos He did make a distinction. He has very carefully talked about that added synthetic vitamin A, or general added vitamins isn't great. He has said of course brands that use antibiotics are not good. He has said choose carefully and stick to the milk that tastes good and feels good. And the obvious, no added gums or really weird stuff. He wasn't ignorant to the adulterated state of milk. His words were of wisdom and caution. In and of itself milk is great. As a teacher he taught that first and foremost. Second to that followed the reality of manufacturing and the business of it. His general insight is, yes be aware and cautious, but incorporating (the right) milk is better than not.
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@CrumblingCookie Show me one study and I'll show you something wrong with that study.
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@CrumblingCookie "However, the qualities commonly provided are outright appaling and hardly anyone even blinks an eye over this IMO unacceptable state."
I don't disagree with this at all and essentially the primary point is the same. I just think there are decent products to be consumed, even with their own imperfections, it's better than discounting milk in general.
