Why do people in power age so well?
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@e_gregor Some examples would be Henry Kissinger (lived to 100), John D Rockefeller (97), Reagan and Bush Sr. Also the octogenarian politicians who refuse to retire such as Feinstein, McConnell, Pelosi, etc.
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@e_gregor well then. The adrenachrome answer is the correct one here.
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@e_gregor said in Why do people in power age so well?:
@e_gregor Some examples would be Henry Kissinger (lived to 100), John D Rockefeller (97), Reagan and Bush Sr. Also the octogenarian politicians who refuse to retire such as Feinstein, McConnell, Pelosi, etc.
They get old, but do they age "well"? Old man Rockefeller, Soros or Pelosi look/looked like mummies straight out of some horror movie.
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It takes a lot of energy to gain power, so their metabolism can't be that bad.
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stupid ass question.
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You guys realize adrenochrome is prob super toxic, right?
' However, uric acid can catalyze the
oxidation of epinephrine (...), and if
this leads to elevated adrenochrome levels, it
might interfere with cytoplasmic gel structure by acting on glutathione (...)''¨The electronic aspect of the cell's energy charge
suggests that cysteine or reduced glutathione
might be desirable, especially if there is evidence
that glutathione is being destroyed by something
like adrenochrome. (Sulphydryl blocking can
impair glycolysis, as can a niacin deficiency.) The
theory of donor-acceptor interaction might
eventually lead to a specific understanding of the
"electronic leak" and how best to intervene,
though it might not be such a discrete problem as
some theorists have hoped.'Quote from none other than the man himself. He wrote this back in 1975:
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1975/pdf/1975-v04n03-p189.pdf
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@mnemosyne Yes. I recently read that piece.
I wanted to get a conversation going with Georgi on it.
wrt Georgi's post:
http://haidut.me/?p=2401I know Georgi does not recommend it. But he is showing what benefits there are. And that those benefits can be achieved without such destruction. I would like for Georgi to expand on the negative impact of adrenochrome. Of course, aside from any harvesting it from children.
The cold plungers claim they do this practice is to harvest adrenochrome in themselves. I'd like to be able to refute them properly.
They also claim cold plunges help them deplete deuterium. Again, I don't think it works that way and any benefits are over-shadowed by the shock of ice baths. -
They do important and stimulating work
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less cortisol probably from being wealthier/with connections hence there's less underlying stress/learned helplessness that those in lower classes experience from the various potential risks
also the habits of networking/planning/building things themselves probably boost Dopamine/Thyroid/other protective pro-metabolic hormones and higher social ranking boosts androgens/Thyroid/Dopamine too lowering serotonin
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@rayp-flava wouldn't it being adrenaline-originated make it a negative/toxic substance sort of?
also afair adrenochrome can be bought/synthesized at home without any sentient conscious beings other than the synthesizer themselves being needed
so why no one has tried to do that to see if it actually induces anti-aging effects etc. and document it?
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@CO2Master haidut has an article about its effects https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/how-adrenochrome-works-it-is-a-potent-oxidizer-quinone-and-serotonin-antagonist.51955/
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@goodtosell said in Why do people in power age so well?:
They do important and stimulating work
This. Also, it's generally a selection effect - you're not going to become powerful if you're low in energy.
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"Health is correlated to people’s socioeconomic status (SES) and lifestyle.[...] Lifestyle had significant positive effects on both physical and psychological health. In addition, lifestyle mediated the relationship between SES and health. This research is helpful in gaining a better understanding of the relationship and mediating mechanism between SES, lifestyle, and health. It is recommended that research with longitudinal design and comprehensive indicators be undertaken in the future."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6352250/And there is a lot more research/books like this one...
"A wealth of research shows that how much of it we possess dramatically affects not only our happiness and wellbeing but also our physical health – and without sufficient status, we become more ill, and live shorter lives. It’s an unconscious obsession that drives the best and worst of us: our innovation, arts and civilisation as well as our murders, wars and genocides."
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@e_gregor winners (high in social hierachy) have more "happy" hormones and T running in their body. losers (low in social hierachy) the opposite
Ofcourse this is not the only thing happening in the body of winners and losers
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@e_gregor rich people just have more money to live a quality healthy life looll
High quality food etc....
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Because Power and Status (social life/status) in society do actually have major impacts on health. (Think people feeding off of each other's energy - someone in position of power absorbs a lot more energy and validation through their position).
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Some of the secret research and products they have on anti-aging that the lay-man is ignorant to, actually do work.
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so many answers as if we don't know from every bit of research that your socio-economic status is undeniably the biggest factor in health.
Of course those that steal more of the labor value of others are going to be healthier, it's such an unbelievable no-brainer that it really exposes the insane political brainwashing most of you are totally subjected to. More money = better food, better environment, more stimulation ETC ETC ETC ETC
You really don't understand Ray if this isn't very simple to you. Not being a gatekeeper, that's just a fact. After the dissolution of the USSR there were 3.4 premature deaths in Russia alone. They ate less, their food was worse etc.
It's only with a severe lack of basic material understanding of the world that this thread could turn into
'their genes are good'
'they have secret magic'
'they got there because they were healthy' -
@e_gregor Having money and power reduces cortisol and increase androgens.
Henri Laborit who did some of the first experiments on rats and learned helpessness back in the day was in favor of a decentralized society for good reasons: he found that current societies based on hierarchies create unavoidable stress because people in these hierarchies are subjected to the values of the dominants, even if these values are against their own interest.
Remember that there are only 3 reactions to stress: fight, flight or freeze. Freeze (or learned helplessness, or dorsal vagal response according to the Polyvagal Theory) is the worst of all.
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@CO3 The question is what is the metabolic link between socioeconomic status and longevity? I suppose happiness/lower stress is the obvious factor but I suspect there are other psychological and physiological effects of power
