Posts made by revenant

@Hearthfire said in Calorie deficit but gaining fat?:

@revenant If you're gaining weight, you're not really in a caloric deficit. Very simple.

You are lying about the amount of calories you're eating.

Track them accurately.

Heh, well this is the age-old argument by reddit scientists.

Why would I "lie" about my calories? Sure, it may not be 100% accurate, but I cook my own food and weigh everything, so it's in the ballpark. Let's say it's off by +-200 kcal, it still means I don't lose weight by eating 2000 kcal (1800 + 200), while my metabolic rate SHOULD be 2600 kcal.

It's of course possible that my metabolic rate is horribly low.

There's this study which says vinegar consumption (15 or 30 ml per day) reduced fat:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19661687/

What kind of intake would result in increased visceral fat?

With niacinamide the dosing seems to be crucial. For visceral fat reduction, would 50-100mg a few times a day be enough?

Calculator for protein intakes:

https://macros.exfatloss.com/

@RawGoatMilk88 said in Calorie deficit but gaining fat?:

@revenant

200 grams for a 200lbs man is not excessive at all.

But by all means continue to lose muscle and gain fat with your high carb low protein approach.

What do you think happens to all that extra ingested protein? I don't think it goes into muscle synthesis. Keeps hunger at bay maybe but at the cost of producing ammonia, which is not good.

@Butter-Girl said in Calorie deficit but gaining fat?:

@revenant said in Calorie deficit but gaining fat?:

I've been trying various combinations of carbs/fat, calories and exercise and measuring my body composition. I'm 182cm and 95kg. BMR formulas say my expenditure is 2600 kcal.

What is worrying is that regardless of calorie intake, I seem to be putting on fat mass week by week. With exercise, I put on muscle also, but losing fat seems almost impossible. I try to eat 80-120g of protein per day and keep carbs high (200-500g) and fat low (30-50g).

During one week I ate almost 3000 kcal per day and walked for an hour per day. Muscle mass stayed pretty much the same but fat mass was increased by 0,5kg.

During another week I ate 1800 kcal per day, no exercise. I lost 1kg of muscle and added 1kg of fat. Fat intake was about 50g per day.

How is it possible to put on a kilo of fat if fat intake on that week was only 350 grams? De novo lipogenesis should not have contributed much since carbs were way under 500 grams.

According to mainstream science, it's not possible for muscle cells to convert to fat cells, but since the opposite is possible, I wonder if muscle to fat is also possible: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8290478/

This is just my experience, but now that I have been bumping up my saturated fat, mostly from dairy, I have lost 5 lbs.
I avoid Pufa oils of course.
I’m actually eating about 1,000 calories more than when I was starving myself.
Maybe focus on that. It also has increased my body temperature.
I eat carbs. but when I ate too many I didn’t lose.
There’s something about the dairy fat that our body’s like and use.

• I also do not do strenuous exercize. I burned out my adrenals doing that and caused my body to go into stress mode- not allowing me to lose weight.
  Just like Peat said.

What is the ratio of carbs/protein/fat you eat now? So you eat butter and full milk or cheese?

And as I pointed out in the first post, I can reduce intake down to 1800 kcal but still not lose but in fact gain fat, at least according to the InBody measurement.

Oh, I thought you meant per kg of bodyweight.

200 grams of protein would mean most of it turns into ammonia since no one can use that amount of protein. What would be the reasoning behind such a crazy amount? Not a very Peat-y idea for sure.

I did a high-protein experiment for two months where I ate 150-180 grams of protein per day, I only had a scale back then but I gained 2 kg during that time. Could have been muscle of course, but I would like to lose fat also. Seemed pretty hard on the digestion, however.

Reading Brad Marshall's stuff got me into trying low protein, low fat and high carb, but that didn't produce much results either. Just made me lose the muscle really.

I am already eating a gram of protein per pound of BW. Higher fat and lower carb is kind of where I'm coming from and it fucked me up over the years.

It was horrible when I first changed from low-carb into Peating, but these days it's better. I don't know about good, though. I do look bloated a lot of the time and it feels like I'm retaining too much water.

Although apparently the InBody is not very good at measuring visceral fat, which is precisely the alarming part of my results.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/3hgnys/dexa_scan_vs_inbody_huge_variance_in_bf/

But clearly I am overweight and a lot of the extra weight is around my abdomen; and furthermore, even though there is a layer of "pinchable" fat, I seem to have a lot of weight underneath the muscles. Which I assume (as does InBody) is visceral fat.

If it was water weight, wouldn't the impedance readings show that?

With one of these: https://inbodyusa.com/products/inbody770/

I also speculated water weight changes but every week I see changes in visceral fat, usually for the worse.

Temperatures are low, maybe 36,2 on waking and and 36,7 after food.

But even so I'm wondering how this could be theoretically possible. Even if my expenditure was only 1500 kcal per day, where is the fat coming from if not food?

I've been trying various combinations of carbs/fat, calories and exercise and measuring my body composition. I'm 182cm and 95kg. BMR formulas say my expenditure is 2600 kcal.

What is worrying is that regardless of calorie intake, I seem to be putting on fat mass week by week. With exercise, I put on muscle also, but losing fat seems almost impossible. I try to eat 80-120g of protein per day and keep carbs high (200-500g) and fat low (30-50g).

During one week I ate almost 3000 kcal per day and walked for an hour per day. Muscle mass stayed pretty much the same but fat mass was increased by 0,5kg.

During another week I ate 1800 kcal per day, no exercise. I lost 1kg of muscle and added 1kg of fat. Fat intake was about 50g per day.

How is it possible to put on a kilo of fat if fat intake on that week was only 350 grams? De novo lipogenesis should not have contributed much since carbs were way under 500 grams.

According to mainstream science, it's not possible for muscle cells to convert to fat cells, but since the opposite is possible, I wonder if muscle to fat is also possible: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8290478/

Coincidence or not, but I lost 8 kg when I was in Mexico City for a week.

@DKJoe

Any update?

Lol, Garrett calling charlie a parasite and a leech on his forum. Karma is a bitch, ain't it, charlie?

White Russian would be pretty Peaty.

I think cortisol plays a role, so anything that lowers it may help.

If you've ever tried cyproheptadine, you know what I mean. Higher doses completely knock me out and I can sleep for 10 hours.

Taurine before bed induces deeper sleep (and vivid dreams) and consequently I wake up less during the night.

Glycine in higher doses (10g+) is worth trying also. It increases water retention when I take it but also helps sleep.

@risingfire said in New "Mission" of RPF:

I read a very interesting quote on the ray peat forum in one of the most recent threads:

"Here you go. Garrett Smith prefers sunflower oil , #ggenereux claims that coconut oil is no good because it delivers vit A all around your system and now biochemist Karen Hurd calls it coconut fad . Who would think...

Mitochondria converts saturated fat into unsaturated fat through the beta oxidation cycle , 6 step process, within which you create free-radical damage , that is radical oxidative species which damage your DNA within cells . Now you know why you have aging , gray hair , cancer ...
We alter our DNA because we have these free radicals because we had to turn bad fat (saturated) into a good fat (unsaturated)..."

As far as I know, it's very rare for saturated fat to convert into unsaturated fats. I've only read one study where they needed technology to convert it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1369703X23001559

Does anyone with a better understanding of biochemistry know if it's common for this conversion?

The SCD1 enzyme converts saturated into monounsaturated fat.

https://www.geneticlifehacks.com/scd1-a-lynchpin-of-metabolism/