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Its been 3 weeks now since I started to eat ultra low PUFA

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    Ray Peat Fanboy
    last edited by Ray Peat Fanboy Jun 27, 2024, 9:11 PM Jun 27, 2024, 12:01 PM

    Ive been eating a diet that consists of 2 - 2,5 kilo boiled potatoes and 0,5 l to 1 l of coca cola for 3 weeks

    Basically 0,9 gram PUFA to 1,1 gram PUFA for 3 weeks .

    You could propably add "methionine restriction " to the list aswell because my methionine intake is lower than 700 mg

    Inspired by Kempners rice diet.

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      yerrag @Ray Peat Fanboy
      last edited by Jun 27, 2024, 9:27 PM

      @Ray-Peat-Fanboy

      Don't count time. Otherwise, time won't fly. And you won't have the patience to see this through. With impatience, quick fixes will be the alternatives. Trying to rid the body of PUFA with niacinamide and aspirin for s short cut, which doesn't work.

      Those who advocate aspirin and niacinamide remain overweight and obese.

      Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
      engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
      wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
      the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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        A Former User @Ray Peat Fanboy
        last edited by Jun 27, 2024, 10:43 PM

        @Ray-Peat-Fanboy

        Lots of restriction and next to 0 nutrition, what are you thinking? Is this for a very short period of time? You’re going to become very sick.

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          VehmicJuryman @Ray Peat Fanboy
          last edited by Jun 27, 2024, 11:22 PM

          @Ray-Peat-Fanboy Just FYI I consumed most of my calories from cane sugar cola for a while and didn't feel good from it. I found out that natural sources of sugar like fruit juice contain thiamine which is necessary to process carbohydrates.

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            LetTheRedeemed
            last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 1:00 AM

            OP if you include liver, oysters, and marmalade weekly, I’m sure you’ll keep all your nutrient requirements ok

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              Ray Peat Fanboy @yerrag
              last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 8:34 AM

              @yerrag

              I agree with you. Achieving EFA deficiency is a long term process , might take several years 🙂

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                Ray Peat Fanboy @VehmicJuryman
                last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 8:35 AM

                @VehmicJuryman

                I supplement with 100 - 300 mg thiamine HCL

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                  Ray Peat Fanboy @A Former User
                  last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 8:37 AM

                  @RawGoatMilk88

                  Potatoes boiled with skin on are pretty high in a variety of vitamins and minerals. Look it up on the cronometer 🙂

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                    Ray Peat Fanboy @LetTheRedeemed
                    last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 4:22 PM

                    @LetTheRedeemed

                    Very good ideas ! Its just that I have a aversion towards eating liver. I have eaten liver in the past but it always felt like something I had to "force" myself to do. Theres just something "yucky" about eating animal organs. I am fine with eating muscle meat but eating organs feels difficult.

                    Oysters would be good though. I am a big fan of seafood. 🙂

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                      LetTheRedeemed @Ray Peat Fanboy
                      last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 4:29 PM

                      @Ray-Peat-Fanboy :DD hear ya.

                      You'd be surprised, if you found a liver source that is immediately frozen, it's actually not bad. It turns out that sitting in a counter or thawing a few times before cooking, really gives it the gross taste people associate with liver (this is how my mom and sister are able to eat liver -- for whom it was an absolute no go due to prior experience. I hear lamb's liver doesn't even taste like liver -- maybe worth a shot.

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                        BioEclectic
                        last edited by BioEclectic Jun 28, 2024, 8:07 PM Jun 28, 2024, 8:02 PM

                        I also find calf liver to be milder, especially if cooked on very low heat and slightly undercooked, pink on the inside.

                        In the beginning it may require that extra push to eat it but that's only till you find your preferred way to cook it and get used to it. I've even diced it into small cubes and thrown it into soups just as i turn the fire off, it cooks instantly and more nutrition is preserved this way.

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                          serotoninskeptic @Ray Peat Fanboy
                          last edited by Jun 28, 2024, 9:43 PM

                          @Ray-Peat-Fanboy I tried a PUFA Depletion "potato" diet similar to this, it tanked my mood and libido. I developed several signs of nutrient defficiencies like sensitive teeth, dry skin, brittle nails, easy brusing. I dont reccomend going this extreme. With time you can slowly deplete pufa using skim milk, oysters, liver, fruit, coconut oil etc.

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                            TexugoDoMel
                            last edited by TexugoDoMel Jun 29, 2024, 9:31 PM Jun 29, 2024, 9:30 PM

                            The amount of studies producing EFA deficiency with fat-free or Hydrogenated Coconut Oil-added diets are the majority, but apparently not the fastest to deplete EFAs.

                            I posted a few days ago how Oleic acid (MUFA) accelerates EFA deficiency, in the simplest study below 0.8% linoleic and a 20:1 Oleic:Linoleic ratio accelerated depletion. Apart from macadamias, I don't know of anything that has a good OA:LA ratio and little PUFA or is pure Oleic, so I think supplementing with Stearic Acid may be even better, since it is well known and used and has no PUFA, it is also widely converted into Oleic Acid within the body (Rats on a diet rich in Oleic vs Stearic have basically the same amount of Oleic in the tissues).

                            It would be nice to do an OmegaQuant to see if the depletion is working.

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