Thiamine hcl makes me smell.

voldtzeig

Hey, I just bought a bag of thiamine hcl and after dosing 0.5g daily for a week or two I smell like urine. Anyone else having this issue with thiamine, is it a brand issue or hcl issue? Whenever I stopped the smell vanished. It's still stuck in old clothes and items I havn't washed since. Think it came from my sweat.

NateHiggers

@voldtzeig My girlfriend also tells me that I smell whenever I load up on thiamine. However, not in a urine kind of way, but more in a chemical way, the same smell as the thiamine bottle.

LucH

@voldtzeig said in Thiamine hcl makes me smell.:

Hey, I just bought a bag of thiamine hcl and after dosing 0.5g daily for a week or two I smell like urine.

B vitamins, like thiamine and choline, may impact the balance of chemicals in your urine. These extra chemicals and vitamins can change your urine’s smell.

Moreover, we shouldn't take high dose thiamine like you did.

No thiamine without B2. Never do that. or the addition will be soon brought. Not necessary every day for B2. 2 or 3x a/wk.
I would have begun with 100 mg thiamine HCL for one week, then upgrade to, 200-250 mg B1.
A multi would be nice (co-enzymed), 2x/wk too. interaction.
And there a protocol for taking high dose B1. See Dr Allil Overton. Or I can give a link.
Note: If you want to reach 1500 mg B1, you won't see results with only B1 HCl.

voldtzeig

@NateHiggers this is the same smell I get, did you find a way to stop smelling while taking the thiamine? I just find that the b-vitamins smell like bad urine.

voldtzeig

@LucH my urine smells fine. I smell like urine or like Nate says, like the smell of b vitamins.

I also took a b-vitamin complex and increased my dose of magnesium. I'd love it if you could send a link btw!

LucH

@voldtzeig said in Thiamine hcl makes me smell.:

I'd love it if you could send a link btw!

B1 Thiamine protocol

Note: Most of the information is in French (You’ll need a translator) but the given sources (links) are most of the time in English. Here is a short summary. The video Of Allil Overton (nutritionist) below is in English, if you prefer the direct link (a bit too long for me).
Vaut le détour : *** It's worth the détour!

Mega-dose of thiamine: beyond the resolution of "deficiencies"

By saturating the cell, you can bypass the low affinity and restore the enzymatic function in its normal state. (=> Justification for the use of megadoses). Some people do not suffer from what we call a nutrient deficiency but from a metabolic block (blocked enzymes)
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2045-english-corner-anti-stress-neuro-protective-effects-of-thiamine-b1#29728
Active and passive diffusion. Capacity of certain forms to cross the encephalic barrier. Supra-physiological contribution. Interaction (diagram) and example of dosage.
*) This could be a game changer!
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2016-this-could-be-a-game-changer#29423
Pharmacological dosage of thiamine
Target for high dosage:
B1 300 - 350 mg 2x/dy
B1 => Towards 750 mg 2x/dy (in 3 steps)
B1 => then 1 gr 2x/dy according to Dr. Costantini
His protocol (with potassium) :
https://highdosethiamine.org/hdt-therapy/
2 gr of B1 per day, before and after the lunch (Midday)
NB: We do not increase the dose until the discomfort has regressed in the event of side effects.
Read the references given in this post, particularly the references 10 - 11, notably Dr. Allil Overton.
You will need Mg. 380 - 450 mg of Mg element to activate thiamine.
Dosage of Thiamine HCL. Contraindication.
*) Original text (source)
How to Apply High-Dose Thiamine Protocols in Clinical Practice: Part 2
Practical Guidance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZUzS_xP9A
EONutrition – Elliot OVERTON speaking (nutritionist) (multiplex) – Part 2 – Video 2:04:02
This is the second of two lectures I gave to a group of medical/health professionals on the clinical application of high-dose vitamin B1. In this video I outline the difference between nutritional deficiency and the concept of "functional dependence". I then discuss the practical aspects of forming a protocol including: - Which form to use and why - How to dose for different conditions - When to use this therapy and when not to use this therapy - Managing patient side effects.
*) 10 hallmarks of the video

07.059”: Basic Definitions
08.21”: Nutritional Deficiency
08.40”: High Calorie Malnutrition
11.12”: Functional Dependency
29.49”: Symptoms of B1 Deficiency
32.22”: Therapeutic Use of B1
34.40”: Forms of Thiamine Can You Use
45.05”: Peripheral Neuropathy
47.12”: Disulfide Derivatives
49.47”: Heavy Metal Chelating Ability
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*) 1.45’’ Recap of last week (part 1)
The Art and Science of Mega-Dose Thiamine Lecture: Part 1 – Video 1:34:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Uf1D2KdTn0
EONutrition – Elliot Overton (nutritionist)

BioEclectic

I know of one person that it happens to, the smell concentrates in their armpits. Distinct but not obnoxiously so like the other body odor.

I recommended trying DIY baking soda wipes but it seems it's only a partial solution. This person's next solution will be to conclude their high dose protocol then experiment with lower doses including other B1 forms, possibly even low dose sublingual mononitrate.