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Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set

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    sharko @sharko
    last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 11:07 AM

    @sharko aa1f5d73-bebe-4316-b46f-92ff353b402d-image.png

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      bot-mod @sharko
      last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 11:13 AM

      @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

      Monthly cost for a user of Biogeneretic AI Labs will cost between 80 and 150 dollars (according to the calculations at the moment, it can change).

      Ouch.

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        sharko @bot-mod
        last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 11:27 AM

        @ThinPicking Yeah It's sucks. I'm still looking for the best model but the potential audience for this is small. It's a research lab AI system with a huge costs and not just a chatbot where anyone who like Peat can ask questions.

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          Peatful
          last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 1:23 PM

          Two thoughts:

          1- lots have never understood Peat while he was alive- many times because of context.
          Therefore, I don’t see this as a good thing

          2- more importantly:
          https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/i-asked-peat-about-his-legacy.36976/

          Nothing personal Shark guy

          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

          -DB

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            metabolicmilk @Peatful
            last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 1:34 PM

            @sharko

            I am interested πŸ™‚

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              Kvirion @Peatful
              last edited by Kvirion Jul 18, 2024, 2:46 PM Jul 18, 2024, 2:45 PM

              @Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

              1- lots have never understood Peat while he was alive- many times because of context.
              Therefore, I don’t see this as a good thing

              Yes, we don't want a mindless AI hallucinating BS in the name of Ray...

              2- more importantly:

              Beautiful! Thank you for sharing this! πŸ™‚

              A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
              Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
              There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
              And drinking largely sobers us again.
              ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                sharko @Peatful
                last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 3:37 PM

                @Peatful Hey bro, I don't take anything personally, thanks to Peat's knowledge, my view of the world is on a whole different level.

                "Eliminate the digital culture" - I wish! But pay attention to where you write it down πŸ™‚ I'm not trying to sell dreams, thanks to the knowledge that Ray Peat spread, I've brought myself out of the grave to optimal health 3 times already in the last decade and today I'm helping others.

                The tools I work on simply speed up the process of understanding the human organism at a dizzying pace and I want to understand as much as possible before I move on to the next world. I see it's only advantages.

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                  sharko @metabolicmilk
                  last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 3:39 PM

                  @metabolicmilk I'll send you pm soon πŸ™‚

                  And to everyone who sent me a private request, please respond here

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                    sharko @Kvirion
                    last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 3:48 PM

                    @Kvirion This is not a Ray Peat AI bot that claims to replace Ray, this is a quick way to learn all the knowledge he spread and even expand it.

                    Messing around like this just causes a lack of progress, instead of taking the legacy to a whole new level and if Ray was against it, that means he had an interest that was not in the common good.

                    Otherwise there is no reason why he would not have been in favor of using his knowledge to reach the truth by any acceptable means and as quickly as possible

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                      NNight
                      last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 3:52 PM

                      Is it viable?
                      I doubt people would spend so much money for long.
                      If it works to help their health, it might be worth it, but then they don't need it anymore.
                      If it doesn't work, then they won't pay more than a few months.

                      Good luck!

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                        bot-mod @sharko
                        last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:02 PM

                        @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                        reach the truth

                        Only humans can do this really sharko. Model based statistical inferencing can't resolve conflict or contradiction. Nor can it coherently 'reason' at the edge of its training corpus or vector store. Because it's fundamentally crude and stupid.

                        Still, personally I don't think there's anything wrong with using elaborate compression and natural language search. Which is what PearBot is doing really. Preferably the output would include citations and a nudge for the user to actually read what's been sighted. But whatever man.

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                          z_pav @sharko
                          last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:10 PM

                          @sharko I'm interested.

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                            NNight @bot-mod
                            last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:10 PM

                            @ThinPicking

                            Haven't you heard what OpenAI CTO is claiming:

                            GPT-3 had the intelligence level of a toddler, while GPT-4 was equivalent to that of a high-schooler. The next generation of the model will have the intelligence of someone with a PhD for specific tasks.

                            😱

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                              sharko @NNight
                              last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:18 PM

                              @NNight For me personally it was not enough to fix my health, I became addicted to the knowledge and power it provides.

                              Also, it is more for researchers and people involved in the health field.

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                                Kvirion @sharko
                                last edited by Kvirion Jul 18, 2024, 4:36 PM Jul 18, 2024, 4:18 PM

                                @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                taking the legacy to a whole new level

                                No, this is not a new level, a stochastic parrot can't compare to Ray's in any way. He had a unique ability to comprehend and connect things/dots on a level unimaginable for an average human.
                                As wisely described by @ThinPicking above.

                                I also have nothing against a smart search through Ray's archives, but an LLM can't give "answers" to naive folks and should not be advertised this way...

                                And if one thinks that LLMs are an advancement, it's also good to consider their cost and unintended consequences. More about it can be found here.

                                A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                  bot-mod @sharko
                                  last edited by bot-mod Jul 18, 2024, 4:53 PM Jul 18, 2024, 4:28 PM

                                  @sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                  power it provides

                                  Be careful with this notion my good man.

                                  In the end we may discover a dormouse or a house cat knew the Truth all along.

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                                    bot-mod @NNight
                                    last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:29 PM

                                    I quite enjoy listening to sales patter from Murati and Altman tbh.

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                                      NNight @bot-mod
                                      last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:34 PM

                                      @ThinPicking
                                      This is good science fiction.

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                                        Kvirion @NNight
                                        last edited by Kvirion Jul 18, 2024, 4:49 PM Jul 18, 2024, 4:48 PM

                                        @NNight said in Bioenergetic AI Labs 😱 The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

                                        This is good science fiction.

                                        Just a fantasy... πŸ˜‰

                                        If you want a good sci-fi I can recommend a classic "Forbidden Planet" movie...

                                        BTW What real science thinks about LLMs:
                                        "We conclude that sensational and misleading claims about LLM agency and capabilities emerge from a deep misconception of both what human language is and what LLMs are." https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.08790

                                        A little learning is a dangerous thing ;
                                        Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
                                        There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
                                        And drinking largely sobers us again.
                                        ~Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism

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                                          sharko @bot-mod
                                          last edited by Jul 18, 2024, 4:51 PM

                                          @ThinPicking Peat bot is great, I just take it to another level.

                                          It is a tool to speed up research processes and that's all. It's not like you press Enter and it reveals everything to you, and of course a good researcher knows that everything needs to be verified several times.

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