Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set

Peatful

Two thoughts:

1- lots have never understood Peat while he was alive- many times because of context.
Therefore, I don’t see this as a good thing

2- more importantly:
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/i-asked-peat-about-his-legacy.36976/

Nothing personal Shark guy

metabolicmilk

@sharko

I am interested

Kvirion

@Peatful said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

1- lots have never understood Peat while he was alive- many times because of context.
Therefore, I don’t see this as a good thing

Yes, we don't want a mindless AI hallucinating BS in the name of Ray...

2- more importantly:

Beautiful! Thank you for sharing this!

sharko

@Peatful Hey bro, I don't take anything personally, thanks to Peat's knowledge, my view of the world is on a whole different level.

"Eliminate the digital culture" - I wish! But pay attention to where you write it down I'm not trying to sell dreams, thanks to the knowledge that Ray Peat spread, I've brought myself out of the grave to optimal health 3 times already in the last decade and today I'm helping others.

The tools I work on simply speed up the process of understanding the human organism at a dizzying pace and I want to understand as much as possible before I move on to the next world. I see it's only advantages.

sharko

@metabolicmilk I'll send you pm soon

And to everyone who sent me a private request, please respond here

sharko

@Kvirion This is not a Ray Peat AI bot that claims to replace Ray, this is a quick way to learn all the knowledge he spread and even expand it.

Messing around like this just causes a lack of progress, instead of taking the legacy to a whole new level and if Ray was against it, that means he had an interest that was not in the common good.

Otherwise there is no reason why he would not have been in favor of using his knowledge to reach the truth by any acceptable means and as quickly as possible

NNight

Is it viable?
I doubt people would spend so much money for long.
If it works to help their health, it might be worth it, but then they don't need it anymore.
If it doesn't work, then they won't pay more than a few months.

Good luck!

ThinPicking

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

reach the truth

Only humans can do this really sharko. Model based statistical inferencing can't resolve conflict or contradiction. Nor can it coherently 'reason' at the edge of its training corpus or vector store. Because it's fundamentally crude and stupid.

Still, personally I don't think there's anything wrong with using elaborate compression and natural language search. Which is what PearBot is doing really. Preferably the output would include citations and a nudge for the user to actually read what's been sighted. But whatever man.

z_pav

@sharko I'm interested.

NNight

@ThinPicking

Haven't you heard what OpenAI CTO is claiming:

GPT-3 had the intelligence level of a toddler, while GPT-4 was equivalent to that of a high-schooler. The next generation of the model will have the intelligence of someone with a PhD for specific tasks.

sharko

@NNight For me personally it was not enough to fix my health, I became addicted to the knowledge and power it provides.

Also, it is more for researchers and people involved in the health field.

Kvirion

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

taking the legacy to a whole new level

No, this is not a new level, a stochastic parrot can't compare to Ray's in any way. He had a unique ability to comprehend and connect things/dots on a level unimaginable for an average human.
As wisely described by @ThinPicking above.

I also have nothing against a smart search through Ray's archives, but an LLM can't give "answers" to naive folks and should not be advertised this way...

And if one thinks that LLMs are an advancement, it's also good to consider their cost and unintended consequences. More about it can be found here.

ThinPicking

@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

power it provides

Be careful with this notion my good man.

In the end we may discover a dormouse or a house cat knew the Truth all along.

ThinPicking

I quite enjoy listening to sales patter from Murati and Altman tbh.

NNight

@ThinPicking
This is good science fiction.

Kvirion

@NNight said in Bioenergetic AI Labs The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:

This is good science fiction.

Just a fantasy...

If you want a good sci-fi I can recommend a classic "Forbidden Planet" movie...

BTW What real science thinks about LLMs:
"We conclude that sensational and misleading claims about LLM agency and capabilities emerge from a deep misconception of both what human language is and what LLMs are." https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.08790

sharko

@ThinPicking Peat bot is great, I just take it to another level.

It is a tool to speed up research processes and that's all. It's not like you press Enter and it reveals everything to you, and of course a good researcher knows that everything needs to be verified several times.

sharko

@NNight Who cares, the main thing is that it speeds up research processes for those who know how to work with it. Many people don't look at it correctly and miss the point

sharko

@Kvirion You are looking to get smarter and I understand perfectly where these thoughts come from because I was there.

If you want to spread and expand the field of bioenergetics, this is the fastest way today.

As I already mentioned, this is mostly for researchers and not for people looking for an AI to tell them how to cure Hashimoto

Butter Girl

Sounds like a good idea to me. The way the former RP forum was set up, the information was all over the place. You had to go searching and searching and so much info. was contradictory.

I think all the RP info being in one place in a clear and concise manner would be good.