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    • jamezb46J
      jamezb46 @RFC32
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      @RFC32 for the love of God why would you essentially tease the success you had with sublingual T and not disclose the formulation

      In time there is life but no knowledge; outside time there is knowledge but no life

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        RFC32 @jamezb46
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        @jamezb46 it uses hbpcd just like the other sublingual studies.

        I don’t know these site rules but I do have a link to the seller, but it’s an underground overseas steroid lab basically.

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          wester130 @RFC32
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          @RFC32

          half lfie looks very short though, they never overcame this problem

          I think vitamin E is the only thing that overcomes the short half life

          off topic - they are making DMT sublingual with HPBCD

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            metabolicmilk @RFC32
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            @RFC32 @wester130 what are the pros/cons of vitamin e vs HPBCD ?

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              wester130 @metabolicmilk
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              @metabolicmilk said in Revisiting Oral Testosterone:

              HPBCD

              vitamin E hypothetically increases half life and total body absorption.
              however - no studies on the internet exist of people doing testosterone base in vitamin E

              HPBCD seems to work and could help for about 6 hours, but still goes to the liver

              this patent explains why steroids dissolved in vitamin e works so well

              https://patents.google.com/patent/CN111529488A/en

              also,
              https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1043/vitamin-e-as-solvent-for-hormones/4

              https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/molecules-dissolved-in-vitamin-e-preferentially-target-brain-injuries.51283/

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                RFC32 @wester130
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                @wester130 thank you!

                And yes, half life is noticeably short, I peak after an hour and then the difference is noticeable after three hours.

                It’s actually a problem as well, because you can’t load your dose up high or things feel awful fast when everything hits at once.

                I am definitely allergic to hbcpd though which is unfortunate.

                Edit: I want to add that the low half life of HBCPD with testosterone is well supported in literature. When they used it in testing they did 5 mg 3 times a day to get testosterone levels up to acceptable.

                My assumption is with vitamin e we may be able to increase dosage and decrease frequency, or even do the same and see how it goes.

                I know people in the forums were talking about how 1mg Ray would take seems way too little. But my experience with sublingual shows there is likely a large effect.

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                  metabolicmilk
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                  What do you think the ultimate hormone stack ratio would be?

                  I think a solution of 4:3:3:1 of T:DHT:Prog:DHEA sounds good.

                  Also - What do you think about making a solution of 80:20 Vitamin E : DMSO

                  Just for better absorption and solubility of hormones.

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                    metabolicmilk
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                    @RFC32 @wester130

                    What are your favourite sources of vitamin E?

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                      wester130 @metabolicmilk
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                      @metabolicmilk said in Revisiting Oral Testosterone:

                      @RFC32 @wester130

                      What are your favourite sources of vitamin E?

                      healthnatura

                      idealabs

                      cliganic looks interesting

                      now foods make a basic vitamin e that is acceptable

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                      • jamezb46J
                        jamezb46 @metabolicmilk
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                        @metabolicmilk

                        Hey that’s my ratio 😍

                        In time there is life but no knowledge; outside time there is knowledge but no life

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                        • jamezb46J
                          jamezb46 @metabolicmilk
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                          @metabolicmilk

                          I could not get vitamin E to mix with DMSO, I would not recommend this. Unless you’re talking about dissolving d-alpha tocopherol acetate in DMSO. That may well work, but according to Ray the acetate ester is about 50% as effective as the nonesterified tocopherols.

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                            RFC32 @metabolicmilk
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                            @metabolicmilk

                            If you’re going to go dmso just go straight dmso and apply on the balls. Otherwise tocopherol and ethanol sublingual seems best to me.

                            Testosterone has felt so much better to me than the other hormones to me that’s the ultimate one.

                            I avoid dmso because it makes my breath and sweat smell so my wife doesn’t like it. Also anything topical I worry about getting on my kids, especially if it’s in large amounts. Too easily to spill, get on clothing, or get on hands. I know dmso fully absorbs but I still have trouble trusting it, if my kids had hormonal issues from my experiments I’d never forgive myself.

                            I’m considering just injecting but my wife is against it. Managing estrogen is a pain but I’m willing to do it.

                            I will say pregnenolone and DHEA help my brain function a lot. Chess scores go way up as does mood.

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                            • Crypt KeeperC
                              Crypt Keeper
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                              I tried an experiment to dissolve testosterone powder in NOW Vitamin E oil and even at 8 drops (1133% RDA of Vitamin E) I could not get 5mg of testosterone to dissolve.

                              My conclusion is that Vitamin E is not a practical solvent for testosterone ingestion.

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                                wester130 @Crypt Keeper
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                                @Crypt-Keeper just 5ml of food grade ethanol mixed in would solve it

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                                • PrinceTrebataP
                                  PrinceTrebata @RFC32
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                                  @RFC32 Whats your pregnenolone dose, and source?

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                                  • KilgoreK
                                    Kilgore @PrinceTrebata
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                                    @PrinceTrebata Be careful where you order from as my Pregnenolone and Progesterone was refused by Canadian Customs

                                    I think if you order from Idealabs it will get through as I got my CortiNon (Progesterone + DHEA) from there with no issues.

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                                    • PrinceTrebataP
                                      PrinceTrebata @Kilgore
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                                      @Kilgore Thanks for the heads up! I live close to the border so I might set up a po box and and pick it up. I wonder why the Canadian government is so tight fisted about supplements.

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                                      • jamezb46J
                                        jamezb46 @Crypt Keeper
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                                        @Crypt-Keeper that was my experience also. It dissolves very well in DMSO + Ethanol, however. Transdermal is the way I think.

                                        In time there is life but no knowledge; outside time there is knowledge but no life

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                                        • Crypt KeeperC
                                          Crypt Keeper @jamezb46
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                                          @jamezb46 Yeah that sounds about right. I'm just trying to minimize the DHT conversion to get the most test out of it. I already have enough DHT. I can see why people just straight pin this stuff.

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                                          • PrinceTrebataP
                                            PrinceTrebata @Crypt Keeper
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                                            @Crypt-Keeper If you don't mind could you dm or share your DHT source?

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