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    Peatful
    last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 11:45 AM

    Not sure if anyone here gives a shit
    But
    I think you should

    The UK is voting very soon
    Possibly today?
    On euthanasia or MAID

    I will leave it to you as to why one should care

    One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

    -DB

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      Insomniac @Peatful
      last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 11:54 AM

      @Peatful said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

      Not sure if anyone here gives a shit

      It's an important subject. It's clear where society is heading.

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        bot-mod @Peatful
        last edited by bot-mod Nov 29, 2024, 12:14 PM Nov 29, 2024, 12:13 PM

        Yes quite twisted in and out of context. There's even a totally grassroots (...) campaign group who bought up some ad space from TFL media 'partners'.

        Got some attention on the 'debate' and surrounding coverage. It's bringing certain types out of the woodwork that's for sure. Whatever will be, will be. It may only really become a problem if there's digital ID for info restriction implications. That would not be ok. At all. For now people are free to seek and find better ways to live on.

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          Peatful @Insomniac
          last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 2:16 PM

          @Insomniac said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

          @Peatful said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

          Not sure if anyone here gives a shit

          It's an important subject. It's clear where society is heading.

          Rebranded eugenics

          Hopefully people are awake to see it

          But
          Im doubtful

          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

          -DB

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            Insomniac @Peatful
            last edited by Insomniac Nov 29, 2024, 2:29 PM Nov 29, 2024, 2:20 PM

            @Peatful said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

            Rebranded eugenics

            At least the UK bothers rebranding it. Some countries don't sugar coat the concept.

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              bot-mod
              last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 2:42 PM

              swamptunnels.jpg

              Amuse to life and make it go viral.

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                CrumblingCookie @Peatful
                last edited by CrumblingCookie Nov 29, 2024, 2:46 PM Nov 29, 2024, 2:44 PM

                @Peatful said:

                I will leave it to you as to why one should care

                It's sinister and my thoughts about it are ambiguous.

                @Peatful said:

                Rebranded eugenics

                In the bigger picture I am very certain that we are not amidst any eugenics programme.
                It's kakogenics. Or metriogenics to the lower end of such. You all know the playbooks.

                In this sense and the commercial setup of the world MAID is like the ultimate discarding after having caused great demise upon a human being and leeched off all its commercial securities.

                That said, to those who find themselves at the irreversible end of such willful malice,
                or to those who find themselves at the end of otherwise greatly unfortunate fates...

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                  Insomniac @CrumblingCookie
                  last edited by Insomniac Nov 29, 2024, 3:55 PM Nov 29, 2024, 3:07 PM

                  @CrumblingCookie

                  In the bigger picture I am very certain that we are not amidst any eugenics programme.

                  Yes of course. It's a euthanasia program. Easy terms to mix up.

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                    Insomniac
                    last edited by Insomniac Nov 29, 2024, 4:17 PM Nov 29, 2024, 3:16 PM

                    @CrumblingCookie said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

                    That said, to those who find themselves at the irreversible end of such willful malice,
                    or to those who find themselves at the end of otherwise greatly unfortunate fates...

                    This narrative is very useful for framing support for widespread euthanasia as loving and compassionate.

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                      Peatful @Insomniac
                      last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 4:49 PM

                      @Insomniac said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

                      @CrumblingCookie said in Medical Assistance In Dying. MAID:

                      That said, to those who find themselves at the irreversible end of such willful malice,
                      or to those who find themselves at the end of otherwise greatly unfortunate fates...

                      This narrative is very useful for framing support for widespread euthanasia as loving and compassionate.

                      I agree

                      Read the data on how it is done
                      What it looks like
                      The cost

                      Brutal and or cruel…

                      Mercy.

                      One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                      -DB

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                        CrumblingCookie @Peatful
                        last edited by CrumblingCookie Nov 29, 2024, 5:25 PM Nov 29, 2024, 5:22 PM

                        @Insomniac said:

                        This narrative is very useful for framing support for widespread euthanasia as loving and compassionate.

                        I agree with you there. It remains ambiguous.

                        @Peatful said:

                        Read the data on how it is done
                        What it looks like
                        The cost

                        Brutal and or cruel…

                        I haven't looked into that tbh. Is it just "cold" or brutal in many more ways?
                        If it were me I certainly wouldn't want to have it in a specified medical setting. I had seen lots of possible ways in the early days of internet and would want to choose my own way and moment.

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                          Peatful @CrumblingCookie
                          last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 7:02 PM

                          @CrumblingCookie

                          Im no expert

                          But
                          I would say cruel

                          It’s “suffocation” in many places where it is legal

                          Supposed to go fast
                          Supposed to…
                          And yet many have needlessly suffered
                          While family watched
                          Some wanting to reverse their decision

                          Barbaric

                          One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                          -DB

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                            Insomniac
                            last edited by Nov 29, 2024, 7:41 PM

                            How more people will end up killing themselves by accident:
                            Youtube Video

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                              CrumblingCookie @Peatful
                              last edited by CrumblingCookie Nov 29, 2024, 8:03 PM Nov 29, 2024, 8:03 PM

                              @Peatful said:

                              It’s “suffocation” in many places where it is legal

                              Supposed to go fast
                              Supposed to…
                              And yet many have needlessly suffered
                              While family watched
                              Some wanting to reverse their decision

                              I feared it to be something along the line of ineffective executions of death penalty.

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                                Peatful
                                last edited by Nov 30, 2024, 2:55 AM

                                Bill passed
                                Shocker

                                Key points about the recent vote:

                                Result: The bill passed with 330 votes in favor and 275 against.

                                Significance: This is considered a historic moment as it is the furthest any assisted dying bill has progressed in the UK Parliament.

                                Next steps: The bill will now go through further scrutiny and potential amendments in the House of Commons and then the House of Lords.

                                One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.

                                -DB

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                                  Luke
                                  last edited by Nov 30, 2024, 7:56 AM

                                  Step 1: Terminally ill people should have the opportunity to end their suffering on a completely voluntary basis.
                                  Step 2: See step 1, but terminally ill patients cost society a lot of money.
                                  Step 3: Yes, we pay for your treatment, but there are easier ways to end your suffering.
                                  Step 4: We don't pay for your treatment, but there is an alternative.
                                  Step 5: Can you please finally kill yourself? You are a burden to society!
                                  Step 6: We will kill you.

                                  UK is now at step 1, Canada somewhere between 3 and 4. We'll see how far they go.

                                  I've never been a big party attender, but I never went to a party where I didn't probably offend most of the people there by talking about what I was interested in. (Ray Peat)

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                                    Lizb @Luke
                                    last edited by Nov 30, 2024, 10:26 AM

                                    @Luke yep. The road to hell.

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