Glucose loading cures everything?
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@CrumblingCookie said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
In other news:
I'm still doing the dextrose after 6 months. At >250grs daily over 4-7 servings.
It's keeping me afloat. But it's not leading me to recovery.Do you have any more detail to share on this? I'm curious what your experience is (benefits, drawbacks). It seems you are one of the few to have found it worthwhile for sticking out for six months.
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@jjk_learning
Trying to capture most of the benefits and limitations of taking dextrose, in my case:Glucose hasn't made me a happier per se. However, when confronted with adverse events I now mostly feel and think more indifferently disappointed "meh"s instead of any "argh!".
I had been having symmetrical jerks moving down my spine reaching into my shoulders and arms and at bad times as far down as into my legs every few seconds throughout the days. Against which rasagiline proved insufficiently effective. Which I could only keep at bay by injecting thiamin-HCl every 10-14 days.
With dextrose I don't have these jerks at all. But they gradually return as soon as my dextrose servings are overdue or used up much more quickly by stressful events, environments or activities. The latter would include mere common daily errands. I.e. this is in the context of my thresholds having become abysmally low.
E.g. if I leave house in the morning without having loaded-up with glucose, those jerks return and my hand and arm starts twitching painfully etc. in an increasing manner.
With dextrose my heart rate is significantly lower and calmer and I can sleep and not tense up. As my glucose fades throughout the night, after 5-6 hours at the latest, I still wake up from a sudden violently high heart rate >150/min. I can calm that down with another serving and maybe doze off again c. 40 minutes thereupon.
I don't want to rely on glucose oxidation throughout the whole night. Of all times this is when accumulated extra fats are meant to be burned off in a continuous, orderly fashion.
I have less nausea with sufficient, regular dextrose than without dextrose previously but that is not completely absent either. Put simply I haven't had to spontaneously throw up anymore since on the dextrose. Also, I've experienced the dextrose hugely and quickly helps in alleviating the narcotics burden post-surgery. Which is a benefit I'm not too keen to have to appreciate many more times.
Blood sugar wasn't tracked by me. All I know is that in the past, for years I used to have 95-99mg/dL in the mornings whereas a few months ago it was 82mg/dL one hour after 70grs of dextrose. So I probably have lower BG when consistently taking dextrose.
That's more or less what I mean with the dextrose keeping me afloat yet not being curative. It'll probably remain an essential nutrient to go along with whatever actual remedy eludes me.
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@CrumblingCookie Thanks for sharing! Great you're seeing so much benefit, especially with what sound like very little side effects?
May I ask how much you're eating, and your macros?
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@the_black_jew said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes watch out for choline overload with nicotine and mitolipin together
I would like to read more about this. Any links you can share?
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@happyhanneke said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes
Do you have any positive feedback from the glucose loading?Also where did you get the low dose patches? 7mg is the lowest I have seen but I would like 2 or 3 mg.
Thanks
Here is a link to the nicotine patch discussion:
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So friends. My husband and I got covid over Christmas (family member brought it with them) and true to form, I have long covid again. Husband is 95% well. My conclusion is that people with lifelong CFS/ME, even though mostly controlled, will be way more susceptible to complications than most. My post covid anxiety is back, and just as before, it peaks right at sundown. I'm able to control it using magnesium and Mexicola if I take them 10 or 15 minutes before the sun sets. If I forget, I go ahead and take them but will have to sit or lie down for a while until they take effect.
We're still using dextrose, but in small amounts. Again, my husband responds to it really well and I make sure his bottle of lemon/glucose water is full when he is in a stressful situation or has to do any public speaking. I feel like it helps me but I wouldn't say it has cured my chonic conditions.
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@S-Holmes sorry to hear you got covid again. One can take a long time to recover after it, so you might see a clearing after a while, but very wise to do extreme rest for now. I think it's smart to approach covid the way one would mono, so take it easy for at least three months. Hope you get better soon!
Do you ever test for EBV? It's one of the virus' that can reacivate after covid, and if it has you might benefit from some herbs.
I'm still just doing glucose, because I want to keep it simple, but if I am gonna add something at some point olive leaf extract is high of my list. Often mentioned for EBV.
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@gentlepotato said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
@S-Holmes sorry to hear you got covid again. One can take a long time to recover after it, so you might see a clearing after a while, but very wise to do extreme rest for now. I think it's smart to approach covid the way one would mono, so take it easy for at least three months. Hope you get better soon!
Do you ever test for EBV? It's one of the virus' that can reacivate after covid, and if it has you might benefit from some herbs.
I'm still just doing glucose, because I want to keep it simple, but if I am gonna add something at some point olive leaf extract is high of my list. Often mentioned for EBV.
I likely have EB or GB. I haven't been tested because what's the point? They're both autoimmune conditions and I'm already doing everything I know to do for CFS. The next thing I'm going to try is higher dose vitamin D, along with all the other things I'm already taking.
I really appreciate everyone's input. Doctors have no answers so I rely on my smart friends for information and assistance.
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@gentlepotato said:
May I ask how much you're eating, and your macros?
My diet is poor. Definitely too little protein. Are you having any specific thoughts?
In the first two months I was eating beef&lamb carnivore with then increasingly more rice for simple yet delayed carbohydrates. But I grew to dislike the fatty bits ever more and the metals as well.
It was either the high amounts of iron etc. from those months of carnivore or the glucose itself: My face skin has aged much since last year.
Unsurprisingly with the regular dextrose loading my utilization of fats is strongly inhibited:
Whenever I eat a chunk of cheese (due to protein+calcium cravings, I surmise) I don't even ever feel satiated by it and it all goes straight to weight gain in fat deposits.Probably the best way to eat with the dextrose would be like a bodybuilder's diet: Rice as complementary carbs, rich greens for the fibres, the vitamins, the calcium and lean poultry for protein. Along with a lowly dosed (100-200% RDI) B+C complex. Along with potassium chloride or potassium sulfate or a mix thereof in amounts according to taste.
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@CrumblingCookie Thank you for sharing this. It is encouraging to hear the help that dextrose has provided even if there are more improvements to be had. Thank you for taking the time to detail it for us and best of luck in your continued experimenting.