Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12

Samyo

@LucH said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

else: How is your liver functioning?

idk, ultrascan picked nothing up

constipation has been pellets for a while now.. since I ramped up meat and eggs, but I think milk also was leading to constipation it was more bristol 5, never really get type 3 or 4 logs now

LucH

You need ballast / fibbers to normalize feces.
But you won't obtain a right transit if you don't digest well, included in the colon since bacteria feed with the fibbers.
You have to know that potatoes have two kinds of fibbers; soluble and insoluble fibbers. Insoluble fibbers (from starch) remains in the second part of the colon and the bacteria feed upon them. Overgrowth is amplified if you do don't evacuate well. Two times a day.
I repeat: You need ballast, mainly from vegetables.
And of course, if you don't digest well, you'll need enzymes and betaine HCl (to optimize bile).
You're suffering from SIBO (bacterial overgrowth).
Make a search with the following words:
DR. D'Oro and SIBO

*) Key information on SIBO/SIFO
SIBO, when your health problems come from the small intestine, Part 1 (4x): Understanding and diagnosing (In French; translator needed)
https://www.lanutrition-sante.ch/le-sibo-quand-vos-problemes-de-sante-viennent-de-lintestin-grele-partie-1-comprendre-et-diagnostiquer/

SIBO : l’invasion des mauvaises bactéries dans votre intestin
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t1131-sibo-pullulation-bacterienne#11611
SIBO: the invasion of bad bacteria in your intestine
=> Key ideas

The microbiota is the center of our immunity.
If you regularly suffer from bloating, belching, flatulence, gastric reflux, abdominal pain and/or diarrhea, or even unexplained fatigue, most of these disorders come from the small intestine where there is an excess bacteria (SIBO).
There is a close link between bacterial overgrowth and celiac disease (irritable bowel or IBS).
SIBO, FODMAP, gluten sensitivity, lactose intolerance, etc. contribute to low-grade inflammation of the intestinal mucosa. However, low-grade inflammation weakens intestinal tightness (leaky gut). This opens the door to the autoimmune reaction.
Understand the process that leads to intestinal permeability: ---

Samyo

@LucH I ate mushrooms again last night, feel my neck starting ache/stiffen up, no sleep, starting shivering again, had to reach for activated charcoal again, managed to sleep about 6am for 5 hours then my neck feel ok again, and i felt warmer I may have to lay of meat n eggs, might help my high ferritin levels @ 388-488 I have the hemochromatosis gene

Samyo

@LucH I noticed im actually way colder, after more fiber intake too

LucH

@Samyo said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

I noticed im actually way colder, after more fiber intake too

Well, when the thyroid is sluggish, you usually feel weak and colder.
As you liver manage iron with difficulty, you have to take another way than with heme from meat.
To optimize iron absorption from non-heme sources (vegetables), we need the following nutrients / cofactors: Vit C, copper, B9 and B12 in order to allow iron to enter hemoglobine.

To optimize the thyroid we need:
Zn, Mg, I and Se.
We often lack Mg and I. No Zn enough if you don't eat meat.

Samyo

@LucH said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

if you don't eat meat.

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Im sure I have plenty of iron?

LucH

@Samyo said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

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Im sure I have plenty of iron?

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I know. Assimilation and iron in blood are 2 different things.
Edit: Problem to get rid of excess iron in blood.
So forget Vit C, as it's going to amplify the assimilation.
NB: I don't master the whole subject.

Samyo

@LucH I wasnt eating much vitamin C prior to when my ferritin was at 488 on my first blood test

Im finding goat milk to make me warm but very itchy and dandruff prone
grains/starch all lead to dry skin, when im hot my sweat stings my skin
alot of supplements have the same affect, drying to my skin, cascara, betaine hcl i notice my left hand always drys out on my palm

I took carrot salad to stop the direahh now, my bowels have stopped working

LucH

@Samyo

Samyo said
I wasnt eating much vitamin C prior to when my ferritin was at 488 on my first blood test.
=> Less beef (high in heme iron). When you eat meat, eat a slice of cheese (gouda or Leerdammer type). Above 40 mg Ca, there is less iron available, in theory.

Im finding goat milk to make me warm but very itchy and dandruff prone
=> What about a milk without lactose, at a moderate amount (180 ml)? If you tolerate it well (digestion), the problem is elsewhere. Similitude of protein configuration with whey (agglutinin wga)

grains/starch all lead to dry skin, when im hot my sweat stings my skin
=> Grain reaction is the sign of intolerance to gluten. Everybody is more or less reactive to wga. We repair the tight junctions during sleep. So moderation at the beginning of the process (SIBO) or total avoidance is required when the immune system has encoded the “enemy”.
=> Potatoes, bread and pasta are composed of two kind of starch. With soluble and insoluble fibers. If you don’t go to feces 2x/d, it remains too long in the second part of the colon. It feeds bacteria that have nothing to do there. Overgrowth in sight.

A lot of supplements have the same affect, drying to my skin, cascara, betaine hcl. I notice my left hand always drys out on my palm.
=> No betaine Hcl if irritable bowel.
No cascara too with irritable bowel. If you’re constipated, I’ll try another approach. Get informed on MMC + B1.
I’ve use Resolor 0.5 mg. to assist the MMC in order to re-educate/facilitate postprandial intestinal contractions (inter-digestive).
MMC = Migrant motor complex
MMC makes reference to the intestinal motility due to electrical contractions in the inter-digestive periods (between two meals).
See my forum for details (my log):
https://mirzoune-ciboulette.forumactif.org/t2029-demangeaison-et-histamine-journal-de-suivi-2?highlight=Complexe+moteur+migrant

Useful links
*) Dr. Costantini and bacterial overgrowth
SIBO, IBS, and Constipation: Unrecognized Thiamine Deficiency? – June 2020
https://www.hormonesmatter.com/sibo-ibs-constipation-thiamine-deficiency/
*) Thiamine Deficiency - A Potential Cause of SIBO and other Gut Dysfunction?
Elliot Overton – Nutrition and Functional Medicine – 01/2019
https://www.eonutrition.co.uk/post/thiamine-deficiency-a-major-cause-of-sibo
Thiamine deficiency - A consequence or cause of SIBO?
Thiamine Deficiency as Potential Cause for Gut Dysfunction.
· Gut motility, stomach acid and digestive enzyme secretion, and regulation of the intestinal barrier are governed by the vagus nerve, which is a component of the autonomic nervous system.
· The lower parts of the brain responsible for autonomic nervous system coordination are highly sensitive to thiamine deficiency.
· Thiamine deficiency can lead to autonomic nervous system dysfunction, abnormal vagal tone, and lower acetylcholine synthesis.
· Autonomic dysfunction can induce all of the symptoms associated with SIBO and should be considered in cases where traditional therapies are ineffective.

I took carrot salad to stop the direahh now, my bowels have stopped working
=> 30 to 40 g fibers when normalized bowels.
Need to calm down first. + reeducation of MMC.
If you suffer from bacterial overgrowth (gas, flatulence, alternate diarrhea with constipation, bad smell of stools (rotten eggs), you must elaborate a plan, with a progressive “attack”. First calm down, then moderate and orientate the kind of bacteria, possibly with some essential oils (e.g.) to kill excess proliferation. Don’t take a medicine / supplement to amplify the good microbiota at first side.

Info on Resolor (prucaloride 0.5 mg), acting as a prokinetic, not as a laxative.
Prokinetics have the capacity to amplify and coordinate muscular contractions of the intestine. They can act on different sites of action, both on the upper part of the digestive system such as the stomach or the small intestine and on the colon. Prokinetics can improve gastric emptying by coordinating the closing of the lower esophageal sphincter and the opening of the pyloric sphincter while the stomach contracts. They are known for their ability to stimulate the migrating motor complex (MMC) to clean the small intestine of this waste. Certain prokinetics have the ability to improve intestinal transit and can be used for example during constipation. However, prokinetics should not be confused with laxatives. (…)

Samyo

@LucH said in Bacteria creating overgrowth of b12:

their ability to sti

my latest results....

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Samyo

serum b12 795 ng/l
serum folate 7.1 ug/l
serum ferritin 428 ug/L
serumb albumin 45 g/L
serum bilirubin level 11umol/L
Serum alkaline phosphatase 69 u/L
serum alt level 25 u/l
serum gamma GT level 21 u/l