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    • B
      bot-mod @Mauritio
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      A sweet spot, a circadian and an infradian. I'll be lucky if I can get there a few times a week because it's a moving target. Unless I do nothing, say nothing, go nowhere and see no one.

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      • MauritioM
        Mauritio
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        Dates (polyphenols) activate FXR and modulate bile acids.
        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5749773/

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        • MauritioM
          Mauritio
          last edited by Mauritio

          Chlorogenic Acid Inhibits Lipid Deposition by Regulating the Enterohepatic FXR-FGF15 Pathway
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35257010/

          Chlorogenic acid fed mice increase less in weight than controls mice on a high fat diet. AND weigh less than animals on a normal control diet.
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20064576/

          Might inhibit Mao a+b
          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29893510/

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          • daposeD
            dapose
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            I like this thread.
            Thank you

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            • MauritioM
              Mauritio @dapose
              last edited by

              @dapose you're welcome.

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              • MauritioM
                Mauritio
                last edited by Mauritio

                Magnesium Sulphate for "stuck bile" I cholestasis

                "Taken together, the results of this study suggest that MgSO4 treatment may be beneficial in cholestasis-induced hepatotoxicity."
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25967882/

                "Mg SO4 may increase bile secretion and relax the sphincter Of Oddi, resulting in emptying and consequently a reduction of Gallbladder volume"
                https://journals.lww.com/ajg/fulltext/2004/10001/the_effect_of_magnesium_sulfate_on_the_human.140.aspx

                It increases the discharge of bile
                https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/955499/

                i was thinking maybe topical application of magnesium sulfate to relax the sphincter of oddi muscle and to increase bile discharge.

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                • MauritioM
                  Mauritio
                  last edited by Mauritio

                  3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide
                  Strong phytoprogestogen.
                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide

                  It has almost the same potency as progesterone (80% of it). And it has no estrogenic or anti-androgenic effects.

                  "EtOH extracts of the dried rhizome of L. chuanxiong demonstrated strongest
                  progestogenic activity, reaching 80% of that observed with progesterone (100 nM) and had an EC50 of 8 lg/ml (Fig. 1b). The bioactivity of L. chuanxiong extract was spe-
                  cific to the PR, and the extract was at least 200-fold less active on other related members of the steroid receptor family like androgen, estrogen and glucocorticoid receptors."

                  https://www.sci-hub.wf/10.1016/j.phytochem.2006.01.024

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                  • MauritioM
                    Mauritio
                    last edited by Mauritio

                    EDIT: Bloodroot might bin very well to the progesterone receptor but not agonize it.

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                    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3181/00379727-217-44247

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                    • MauritioM
                      Mauritio
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                      Dates, olives and walnuts contain the highest amounts of the phytoprogestogen syringic acid.

                      http://phenol-explorer.eu/contents/polyphenol/420

                      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9704030/

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                      • MauritioM
                        Mauritio @Mauritio
                        last edited by

                        @Mauritio said in Random, interesting studies:

                        3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide
                        Strong phytoprogestogen.
                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide

                        It has almost the same potency as progesterone (80% of it). And it has no estrogenic or anti-androgenic effects.

                        "EtOH extracts of the dried rhizome of L. chuanxiong demonstrated strongest
                        progestogenic activity, reaching 80% of that observed with progesterone (100 nM) and had an EC50 of 8 lg/ml (Fig. 1b). The bioactivity of L. chuanxiong extract was spe-
                        cific to the PR, and the extract was at least 200-fold less active on other related members of the steroid receptor family like androgen, estrogen and glucocorticoid receptors."

                        https://www.sci-hub.wf/10.1016/j.phytochem.2006.01.024

                        The plant Ligusticum sinense chuanxiong from which it is extracted is traditionally used to treat uterus issues. It also has been studied to treat strokes and Parkinson's.

                        In this review they look at the anti inflammatory effect of it.

                        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7591981/

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                        • MauritioM
                          Mauritio @Mauritio
                          last edited by Mauritio

                          @Mauritio said in Random, interesting studies:

                          @Mauritio said in Random, interesting studies:

                          3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide
                          Strong phytoprogestogen.
                          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,8-Dihydrodiligustilide

                          It has almost the same potency as progesterone (80% of it). And it has no estrogenic or anti-androgenic effects.

                          "EtOH extracts of the dried rhizome of L. chuanxiong demonstrated strongest
                          progestogenic activity, reaching 80% of that observed with progesterone (100 nM) and had an EC50 of 8 lg/ml (Fig. 1b). The bioactivity of L. chuanxiong extract was spe-
                          cific to the PR, and the extract was at least 200-fold less active on other related members of the steroid receptor family like androgen, estrogen and glucocorticoid receptors."

                          https://www.sci-hub.wf/10.1016/j.phytochem.2006.01.024

                          The plant Ligusticum sinense chuanxiong from which it is extracted is traditionally used to treat uterus issues. It also has been studied to treat strokes and Parkinson's.

                          In this review they look at the anti inflammatory effect of it.

                          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7591981/

                          HED about 20g of the extract.
                          "Effect-time studies indicate that injection of MPA and L. chuanxiong extract raised area-under-curve of progestogenic activity in sera by 8.2-fold (p<0.001) and 4.5-fold (p<0.01) respectively, compared to sera from rats administered vehicle only. Administration of MPA and L. chuanxiong extract by the oral route resulted in a 5.4 (p<0.001) and 2.3-fold (p=0.07) increase respectively. Our data suggest that PR-responsive reporter gene bioassays can measure bioavailability of compounds, known and unknown, of complex botanicals for hormone replacement therapy. L. chuanxiong extracts exert progestogenic activity in vivo, and may have utility for progesterone-replacement therapy."

                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16650443/

                          good review on it
                          https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/13880209.2011.576346#d1e665

                          HED = 850mg of the extract.
                          L. Chuanxiong completely prevented weight gain on a high fat diet. It increases antioxidants and cholesterol conversion into bile acids. Genes related to steroid biosynthesis were also upregulated so I guess that was another way it lowered cholesterol.
                          https://iadns.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/fft2.249

                          Protective Effect of SFE-CO2 of Ligusticum chuanxiong Hort Against d-Galactose-Induced Injury in the Mouse Liver and Kidney
                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28056664/

                          Chuanxiong Rhizoma extracts prevent cholestatic liver injury by targeting H3K9ac-mediated
                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37777319/

                          Chuanxiong Rhizoma extracts prevent liver fibrosis via targeting CTCF-c-MYC-H19 pathway
                          https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38375042/

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                          • MauritioM
                            Mauritio
                            last edited by Mauritio

                            "PO [Peppermint oil ]significantly promoted bile and bile acid secretion in rats. It also increased bile acid efflux and decreased cholesterol levels (P < 0.01) in bile. In HepG2 cells the mRNA levels of CYP7A1 and FXR were significantly upregulated after treatment with PO."
                            https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1751-2980.2011.00513.x?utm_source=chatgpt.com

                            Menthol + Menthone seem to have a dopaminergic effect
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18718482-/
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12686756/

                            Menthol has some overlapping effects with progesterone as per this study
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13819868/
                            It also acts as an anaesthetic like progesterone
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11301871/

                            Mode of action of peppermint oil and (-)-menthol with respect to 5-HT3 receptor
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21077259/

                            "...menthol acts as a noncompetitive antagonist of the 5-HT3 receptor..."
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23965380/

                            Menthol decreased milk production ,which hints at an anti prolactin effect and it inhibits mTOR.
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33188562/

                            Anti-leukemic effect of menthol, a peppermint compound, on induction of apoptosis and autophagy
                            https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36923503/

                            I'd say given these studies, it's worth to try peppermint oil, which can consist of up to 80% menthol + Menthone.

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                            • alfredoolivasA
                              alfredoolivas @Mauritio
                              last edited by alfredoolivas

                              @Mauritio Menthol, Camphor, Menthone and Eucalyptus, all are terpenoids known for their "cooling" effect, and are completely saturated- Camphor and Eucalyptus are even saturated cages, similar to Adamantane. Very interesting to me.
                              I would love to see if their is some overlap in their origin, structure or effects

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                              • MauritioM
                                Mauritio @alfredoolivas
                                last edited by Mauritio

                                @alfredoolivas yeah very interesting!
                                Look at the progesterone like effect of the studies I just edited in.
                                If they are indeed saturated molecules that makes an estrogenic effect even less likely .

                                Btw trump just brought back menthol cigarettes , so that's good timing 😁

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                                • alfredoolivasA
                                  alfredoolivas @Mauritio
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                                  @Mauritio Peppermint oil is 30-50% menthol, 15-30% menthone and 5-10% eucalyptol. So peppermint oil could be a vehicle to deliver these substances.

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                                  • MauritioM
                                    Mauritio @alfredoolivas
                                    last edited by

                                    @alfredoolivas yes. I'm just not sure about potential estrogenic or anti DHT effects. But I haven't seen anything conving, that would stop me from consuming it infrequently .

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                                    • DavidPSD
                                      DavidPS @alfredoolivas
                                      last edited by DavidPS

                                      I purposefully stay away from peppermint.

                                      Effects of peppermint teas on plasma testosterone, follicle-stimulating hormone, and luteinizing hormone levels and testicular tissue in rats (2004)

                                      ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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                                      • MauritioM
                                        Mauritio @DavidPS
                                        last edited by

                                        @DavidPS yeah that is the most convincing study i've seen so far the dosage also wasn't excessively high

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                                        • alfredoolivasA
                                          alfredoolivas @Mauritio
                                          last edited by

                                          @Mauritio Well progesterone does the same; inhibits LH and FSH, and is therefore anti-androgenic. Unless peppermint oil is estrogenic, it may be a good proxy for progesterone.

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                                            ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
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