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Does anyone use the Thorne d and k (in one) drops?

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    16charactersitis @the_black_jew
    last edited by Jan 1, 2025, 11:55 PM

    @the_black_jew thank s I have other forms, eg Carlson. Just that I had (when I started this thread) already accidentally bought the Thorne d and k combined and was wondering if it is of any use or too harmful and I should put it aside.

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      wester130 @16charactersitis
      last edited by Jan 2, 2025, 12:42 AM

      @16charactersitis the best vitamin d is called micellised vitamin D

      it makes it water soluble

      https://numedica.com/formulas/NM218

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        Luke
        last edited by Jan 2, 2025, 9:34 AM

        Yes, I have this product. Although I don't use it often because the K2 content is relatively low.

        Never had any negative symptoms. What symptoms would I be looking for if the tocopherols plus K2 was a problem?

        I've never been a big party attender, but I never went to a party where I didn't probably offend most of the people there by talking about what I was interested in. (Ray Peat)

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          16charactersitis @wester130
          last edited by Jan 3, 2025, 11:29 PM

          @wester130 Thank s will take a look

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            16charactersitis @Luke
            last edited by Jan 3, 2025, 11:43 PM

            @Luke yes . Something about it s best not to take tocopherols (e) and quinones (k) together. I think Haidut once said if one is much less than the other, it would not be a serious concern. I wonder if the ratio of e to k in the Thorne d&k drops would make it not a big deal. The E is in there as a preservative.

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              Luke @16charactersitis
              last edited by Luke Jan 4, 2025, 2:36 PM Jan 4, 2025, 2:35 PM

              @16charactersitis said in Does anyone use the Thorne d and k (in one) drops?:

              @Luke yes . Something about it s best not to take tocopherols (e) and quinones (k) together. I think Haidut once said if one is much less than the other, it would not be a serious concern. I wonder if the ratio of e to k in the Thorne d&k drops would make it not a big deal. The E is in there as a preservative.

              I don't know how much vitamin E is in one drop. On the back of my bottle it is listed under “Other ingredients”, but it only says how much D und K2 is in each drop.

              Is there a policy in the US that requires supplement manufacturers to list the amount of vitamins/minerals (in IU or mg) if they exceed a certain limit? If so, I would suppose there is only a minimal amount of Vitamin E in the product.

              I would also add as a thought that foods that are relatively high in K2 also have a little bit of Vitamin E (like some cheeses), although not much. So some E in the presence of K2 shouldn't be a problem. I don't know of a food that is high in both K2 and E, so it makes sense that a lot of both isn't a good fit.

              Doesn't haidut have a product (estroban) that is relatively high in all fat-soluble vitamins, including E und K2? Has he ever written about the potentially negative interactions of both together?

              I've never been a big party attender, but I never went to a party where I didn't probably offend most of the people there by talking about what I was interested in. (Ray Peat)

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                Mossy @wester130
                last edited by Jan 5, 2025, 6:28 AM

                @wester130 said in Does anyone use the Thorne d and k (in one) drops?:

                @16charactersitis the best vitamin d is called micellised vitamin D

                it makes it water soluble

                https://numedica.com/formulas/NM218

                Do you experience a difference with micellized D3 versus oil based? Such as better results with labs; or at the least do you fell any different, or does it assimilate better, i.e., no negative side effects or hindering of feeling normal?

                "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                  wester130 @Mossy
                  last edited by Jan 5, 2025, 1:07 PM

                  too early to tell

                  sometimes vitamin D can give tension in the body, I'm not sure I feel it with this

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                    Mossy @wester130
                    last edited by Jan 6, 2025, 8:44 AM

                    @wester130 said in Does anyone use the Thorne d and k (in one) drops?:

                    too early to tell

                    sometimes vitamin D can give tension in the body, I'm not sure I feel it with this

                    Ok, thanks. I've purchased some micellized D3 in the hopes it is the magic bullet for my vitamin D woes.

                    "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                    "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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                      Mossy
                      last edited by Mossy Jan 29, 2025, 12:19 PM Jan 29, 2025, 12:06 PM

                      Just reporting back here that my first experience with micellized D3 did not go well. Was really hoping this would be the trick to getting D3. Unfortunately, I felt anxious and very off, then a typical malaise. I believe the anxiety was due to some hormonal change, to use a very unscientific description. The one thing different from most other supplements, especially fat-based D3, was that the heavy malaise did not last long at all, where it usually always does — days. When I get the courage, I'll try this again.

                      "To desire action is to desire limitation" — G. K. Chesterton
                      "The true step of health and improvement is slow." — Novalis

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