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    Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?

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      Corngold @wester130
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      @wester130 he thought we evolved from female-led agriculture and fruit gathering. It played a part but come on... the garden in Genesis is a metaphor, not literal. I don't buy evolution in general, so hunter-gatherer evolution is no more true than creationism.

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        alfredoolivas @wester130
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        @wester130 said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:

        His love of painting, art and poetry

        Peat was old. He did old people stuff. When he was young (as well as later in life) he also was possibly more of a nerd/intelectuall/ scholar/bookworm(I mean none of those words with disrespect). It's likely the time he was born and upbringing, that lead to these preferences, not hormones.

        His recommendation of progesterone

        He seldomly recommended it to men, and when he did, it was recomended in low doses, often paired with DHEA. He has talked many times about the anti androgenic effects of progesterone.

        A preference for an introspective, reflective thoughtful life

        This is androgenic.

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          Corngold @alfredoolivas
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          @alfredoolivas said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:

          He seldomly recommended it to men

          He talked about it incessantly, at seemingly every opportunity.

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            alfredoolivas @Corngold
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            @Corngold Sure he may of talked about the importance of endogenous progesterone in men but did he specifically recommended men to take substantial exogenous doses of it? Rarely in my opinion.

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              Milk Destroyer
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              When he was younger he did forestry work and played sports! I think he had a good balance of masculine/feminine, if such a thing even exists.

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                Rah1woot
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                I mean, I might invoke the concept of the DHT/T ratio, and DHT trending with a masculine calmness. A lot of behaviors which are thought of as "macho", like aggression and "high libido", can be thought of as the result of a lower DHT/T ratio, and relatively more estrogen (aromatized from testosterone). An adaptation to a violent, higher-stress situation, which prunes other "higher" potentialities. Convict mentality of death looming around the corner.

                It's reddit of me to mention, but I think the male hero of Twin Peaks, Dale Cooper, shows a picture of the kind of masculinity Ray was interested in more so. "Eagle Scout" type stuff. Somewhat sensitive, so as to get the job done, but not solipsistically so.

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                  herenow
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                  Email exchange:

                  Dear Ray,
                  My life is falling apart. What should I do?

                  Response:
                  Have you thought about being more "androgenic?"

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                  I can't imagine but I tried

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                    Rah1woot @herenow
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                    @Dedeluded c298mqe2f7w51.webp

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                      herenow @Rah1woot
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                      @Rah1woot lol

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                          A Former User @alfredoolivas
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                          @alfredoolivas painting art and poetry isnt “old people stuff”, kind sir.

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                            A Former User @Corngold
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                            @Corngold women led societies are based
                            men led societies are cringe

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                              Corngold @A Former User
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                              @sushi_is_cringe
                              Which is the modern west? Sure seems goblin ran, beyond male and female.

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                                bot-mod @Corngold
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                                @Corngold said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:

                                Sure seems goblin ran, beyond male and female.

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                                  Alomongerpete @bot-mod
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                                  Does progesterone decrease libido in men?

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                                    bot-mod @Alomongerpete
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                                    The reply button you're looking for in future is in the top right. Not the one under a post unless you're addressing that person.

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                                      herenow
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                                      I think answer to the question posted is that it's pretty much true.

                                      A lot of his writing was targeted toward women and I've never heard him recommend testosterone to resolve a problem for anyone.

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                                        bot-mod @herenow
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                                        @Dedeluded said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:

                                        recommend testosterone

                                        I'd call that a cop out but a lot of deficient bro's using it will never be convinced otherwise. It's the pinnacle of the male condition right. There's definitely no downside. And never mind what's up stream.

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                                          herenow @bot-mod
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                                            bot-mod @herenow
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                                            @Dedeluded said in Peat did not believe in the androgenic man?:

                                            It's the "never" that stands out especially for someone that solves problems with hormones so often.

                                            That's why I said cop out, because I don't think it's solving anything really.

                                            You don't honor someones memory by remembering them incorrectly.

                                            Yes, you don't.

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