Why Does Wine Help with preventing Nighttime urination?

Turk

Most nights I have to get up to pee, 1am, 2am, 4am most of the time, but have noticed when I drink wine, usually half or a full bottle, I dont need to wake up to pee. Does anyone know why this helps?

ThinPicking

ThinPicking

You should be able to replicate it by solute loading (eat) and low osmolarity fluid restriction (if water, drink only tiny amounts, the rest make it sugary and salty) up to and after 18:00. But if your circadian' s off/out of alignment you might need 3 days to get there.

Experiment.

Peatful

@Turk dry wine? Sweet wine? Sparkling wine?

If sweet or sparkling et al-
It’s sugar content is helping you keep your BS up so your adrenals aren’t kicking in- and hence waking you up- and invariably you them need to pee.

If dry wine
I assume it’s simply the sedating effect….

Turk

@Peatful Sweet wines, I had Riesling one night and Tokaji on another, although last night I had a red wine and didn't have to get up to pee.

Peatful

@Turk

Sorry for the spelling and grammar etc
I was in bright sunshine

Yes
It is the sugar content then
It’s keeping your BS up
Have you tried it with a hunk of cheese vs just a bottle of wine?
Balanced macros stabilizes your BS well

So
Have a glass with some cheese and sleep tight

Corngold

@Turk

Sugar / relaxation I'm guessing
Baking soda in water before bed usually prevents this as well and gives deeper sleep.

Turk

@Corngold Baking soda used to help but no longer does

Turk

@Peatful I tried ice cream last night and that didnt help. I'm going to try and see if Taurine, glycine, L-theanine and maybe creatine before bed can help at all. I used to have Nocturia last year, then it went away with Thyroid and also baking soda worked, but now both dont help with it anymore.

ThinPicking

@Turk said in Why Does Wine Help with preventing Nighttime urination?:

baking soda worked, but now both dont help with it anymore.

@ThinPicking said in Why Does Wine Help with preventing Nighttime urination?:

sugary and salty

All over your dinner too.

@Peatful said in Why Does Wine Help with preventing Nighttime urination?:

It’s sugar content is helping you keep your BS up so your adrenals aren’t kicking in

She's right about the adrenals I think, vasopressin's just an (important) piece of HPA activity. But the result is probably more than sugar when ethanol's involved.

Peatful

@Turk
What about a full mexi coke and like 1/2 a grilled cheese on sourdough

You may simply need more simple sugar
And macros of 70/15/15 c/p/f or even 80/10/10

Play around with it

But once you start getting more uninterrupted sleep
You need to figure out why your liver is depleted of glycogen

Hypothyroid?

bio3nergetic

Test to see if this is due to a copper deficiency, as that is one component to build vasopressin for example. Salt and vitamin C play a role as well, to reduce nighttime urination. Wine does have copper and often the treatments for the grapes to make that wine contain copper. If it is low copper, then see if copper foods or 1 to 3 mg copper supplement does the same thing. This way you don't have to drink wine.

Turk

@ThinPicking My Macros had been around 60C/25P/15F, carbs were about 380g avg, mostly from skim milk and coke, some potatoes and sourdough. I take cynoplus, about 110mg of a 160mg tablet, per day.

Turk

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Turk

@bio3nergetic Interesting, I havent eaten liver in months, so it would be interesting if it is copper. I will eat some perhaps tomorrow.

Turk

@Turk said in Why Does Wine Help with preventing Nighttime urination?:

Most nights I have to get up to pee, 1am, 2am, 4am most of the time, but have noticed when I drink wine, usually half or a full bottle, I dont need to wake up to pee. Does anyone know why this helps?

I also gave up alcohol for Lent (except on Sundays and 1st class feast days) so it's worse that I can only fix the problem once a week. I appreciate everyone's help, will experiment.

Corngold

@Turk
milk, sugar, maybe fruit and honey w coconut oil or ice-cream. I have a similar issue and I'm wondering anout the kidney's role in night time activity. Baking soda helps but I don't always remember.

Corngold

@Turk or shellfish, which is also Lent friendly and has lots of minerals.

Turk

@Corngold I usually have prawns every friday

Corngold

@Turk

nice. what about glycine / gelatin?

Analyze and Optimize posted:

If you can't stay asleep (or wake up to pee), you need to try glycine.

3g before bed reduces:
⬩Night time urination
⬩Urination urgency
⬩Blood pressure

Glycine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter that keeps us in restful sleep.

I had maybe 1-2g in milk and slept better...only awoke once. Doing the same tonight. I can say it is very calming and I'm sure I don't get enough of it.