DHT
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What products do you have experience with from AlphaGels? Can you relay your experience with them?
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@RandomUser said in DHT:
What products do you have experience with from AlphaGels? Can you relay your experience with them?
When I purchased from them all they had was DHT, T, and DHT/T combos. Idk if that's all they still have or if they're selling other stuff now.
I used the 10% DHT solution. It's legit, but I think most people (especially in the Peat-sphere) are really overrating DHT. I barely noticed an uptick in libido, it was there, but not what you'd expect when you consider all the ranting and raving about it.
My main reaction to it was just getting really hot. It's very thermogenic in my opinion. Not sure if this is through it's cAMP mechanism or if it's actually altering uncoupling proteins somehow. It might serve a good place in a cutting stack maybe. After all that's precisely what oxandrolone is made for and it's a DHT derivative.
My personal recommendation to pretty much any male under the age of 50 is to take normal testosterone (not DHT) if you're wanting the metabolic benefits, libido benefits, and muscle retention benefits. I actually slept better on normal testosterone too.
I would also just suggest being careful with end-point steroids period. It's not something Ray ever recommended. And if you do take something like DHT you should probably back fill things like pregnenolone & DHEA.
I think the group of men that would MOST benefit from a PURE DHT supplementation are men 50+ who may be dealing with certain prostate concerns and don't want to take a chance of estrogen via normal T causing them problems. In these people DHT would be perfect. As randomnized clinical trials have shown DHT to have either no effect on prostate or actually reduce it's size.
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@RandomUser Have you tried Haidut's androsterone? Or any androsterone for that matter? Basically almost the same feeling as DHT. I do think androsterone is slightly more sedative. Probably from the GABA effects.
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I have not. I used Haidut's 11-keto-DHT for a while but had some strange effects with that. Effects were also pretty marginal. Are you familiar with it?
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@Mulloch94 I think one of the main mechanisms through which oxandrolone increases metabolic rate by decreasing Thyroid binding globulin (TBG). Maybe DHT can do that as well.
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@RandomUser said in DHT:
I have not. I used Haidut's 11-keto-DHT for a while but had some strange effects with that. Effects were also pretty marginal. Are you familiar with it?
Yeah, I think 11-keto-DHT has a longer half life than normal DHT. You might not have experienced anything because it was under dosed. Idk though. When I did it I took 100 mg of DHT. I was a fucking furnace for like an hour. I really took too much tbh. It was dissolved in DMSO so the absorption was likely near 90-99%
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@Mulloch94 I think one of the main mechanisms through which oxandrolone increases metabolic rate by decreasing Thyroid binding globulin (TBG). Maybe DHT can do that as well.
Yes definitely. This is a feature of pretty much every androgen, and progesterone. Well at the very least testosterone and DHT. I don't know about DHEA.
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@RandomUser I just ordered 20% DHT gel from alphagels, ill make a post about it when it arrives!
thinking of stacking it with progest-e but still trying to figure out the right ratio...
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@samson Where do you apply it? I always thought that doing transdermal gels would be inconvenient and might rub off on your clothes somewhat. If that's not the case however I would be interested to know how it's done.
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@jamezb46 When I've used Adrosterone, it would be the navel and forearms. I was def paranoid about it rubbing away on my clothes or sweating off, but if I let it sit for maybe 30 minutes, it would always work very well.
Haidut talked about how belly button application was particularly effective and referenced a study where T was absorbed much more effectively there than any other location, so at night sometimes I'd just put a few drops in my belly button and lie there while reading under some nice red light, very relaxing lol
Of all the modes of getting hormones into the body, transdermal seems like the safest. If i lose some efficacy in the name of safety, that's worth it for me.
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@RandomUser I just ordered 20% DHT gel from alphagels, ill make a post about it when it arrives!
thinking of stacking it with progest-e but still trying to figure out the right ratio...
Cool. Yeah I'd hold off on combining it with progest-e. The two together may lower estrogen too much. You should wait and see how DHT makes you feel for like a couple weeks at a consistent dosage before adding progesterone.
You may or may not like it. It raised my libido a little bit. Others have said it actually decreased their's. Some guy on the old forum. But he also nuked aromatase with exemestane, so I imagine he hadn't fully recovered from that yet.
If you're so inclined, you should try normal testosterone after DHT to see which one you feel better on. I think for young males, unless you've nuked your 5ar with finasteride or something, then normal T will probably feel better. When applied topically, normal T will convert into plenty of DHT as well. So it's not like you'd be missing out on DHT's effects.
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Maybe down the road. I don't know, I'm much more averse to Testosterone honestly given it's potential for suppression. Also I'm currently on a T3/T4 mix that I just started this week so I'm gonna stay on thyroid for a while to see how that goes. Possibly a few months down the line I'll give androgens a go again. I appreciate the input.
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@Mulloch94 my thinking with the progesterone was to support the upstream hormones bc im supplementing a downstream, so if my E drops too low, it could potentially aromatize, iirc progesterone has strong antiestrogenic effects but can increase estrogen in men as well...
I guess I have a "High T" phenotype (wide face and frame, low voice, large hands and pretty decent muscular development) but I have some gyno and have very little body hair, which seems in line with low 5ar. i also smoked weed chronically for years durring developmental periods which is why I think my 5ar is fucked.
to me it seems smarter to start with something that powerful enough to reach escape velocity with regards to my 5ar like exogenous DHT, then when my 5ar is sorted try T... but honestly if i get what i want from DHT i dont see any reason to play around with more hormones and risk suppression.
