DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned
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Over the past 2 weeks, I have been using Deepseek, and I have found myself being far more able to connect the dots and progress on my process of improving my approach to healing.
I was very closed to idea in some earlier posts but ever since I tested the waters, I believe, at least for Deepseek, I have found the experience of using it to be very helpful.
While Deepseek will give me very mainstream answers, which ia something I have come to expect from it as a default behavior, I can draw from a more Peaty base of knowledge to base my rebuttal of Deepseek's response. Deepseek would quickly process my response and not directly counter it, but earnestly research whether my response, which is contrary to its initial response, is worthy of merit as it looks for research that validates my argument.
Once it gathers information from its base of knowledge, as happened earlier in the day, it would acknowledge my argument has merits. Even though it isn't mainstream and more Peaty in that it is backed by research but routinely ignored in the prevailing medical narrative.
I have found myself able to proceed better in my analysis and in deciding what next to do in approaching my healing.
This explains why I have been spending less time in health forums lately. After a while, I find there isn't much easy work left as I go through forums. No more easy nuggets to chew on, but hard nuts to peel layers from. I have become weary from extracting from the breadth and depth of the material in forums, which in themselves is akin from separating the wheat from the chaff. There is also a lot of breadth, which most of the time is irrelevant to the context I find myself in. The same result can likewise be the case when I go to deep into a subject, and find myself digging a rabbit hole that distracts more than help arrive at answers or clues to it.
Now, I may be accused of being lazy and unorganized, for failing to comb through the literature, and to mine the nuggets. And I think that is true of me.
But I am not well molded as a researcher, of which I would consider Ray Peat as the archetypal researcher I needed to do the hard work work for me. Thus far, I have relied on him thru his writings to explain to me things I otherwise would need to be an excellent researcher bar none to attain the level of understanding I currently have - to be able to be the captain of my own ship sailing thru treacherous straits across the treacherous seas of knowledge and deception.
With this foundation, which I consider solid and coherent ad Ray intended it to be, I am able to make use of the AI abilities of Deepseek, and make it extremely and highly useful for understanding better health issues that affect me. So that I can further use both the training I got from Peat's writings and from ancillary research I am able to extract from Deepseek. This allows me to form a more foundation to improve my health.
A recent interaction I had was Deepseek telling me that glutathione is just as potent an antioxidant as albumin on the extracellular space. But because I understand albumin better from being exposed to it by Ray, strengthened by followup research over the years, I have come to appreciate a key distinction between glutathione and albumin.
I was able to point out this distinction to Deepseek, which was subsequently acknowledged by Deepseek to be a key distinction. Not only this. but Deepseek further acknowledged mainstream medicine's lack of emphasis of this , thus overlooking this, which was vital in my analysis of the role of albumin in affecting my hypertensive condition.
To elaborate further is to risk losing you though, or to risk losing you further, so I will cut this short now.
Suffice it for me to say AI has been a blessing, in its current form as my experience would inform me with the use of Deepseek.AI is still very new to everyone, and the nice thing is thst the establishment has not learned to corral and tame it the way it has to our search engines. That Deepseek is Chinese in origin may also be a plus, as it does not have to be influenced nor controlled by the deep medical state such as the AMA and pharma.
While AI is still in its formative and growth stage, it is very useful for us health researchers if we know how to tap it, instead of avoid it with wariness.
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@yerrag said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
Now, I may be accused of being lazy and unorganized, for failing to comb through the literature, and to mine the nuggets. And I think that is true of me.
I wouldn't at this point. You're describing exactly what converse-sation ought to be good for. If we can't find it in eachother that's our problem.
Also thank you China.
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The conversation is great, but there is an element of resignation, in me at least, that conversation has its limits. You can find company in misery in an exodus on the way to a proverbial land of milk and honey.
I need someone more grounded in reality, as objective as possible, to keep the reality of hope intact. That is the weakness of the imperfection of humans. It can't be helped that we are easily taken in by the periphery that is strewn with misdirection and misinformation that penetrates and takes root in our minds, and misleads us into endless loops.To break free from such vicious cycles, we can't rely on our own minds to break free. Its very much when we examine our own answers in a finals exam, cursed to not be able to rise above our own plane to critique and correct ourselves to recognize the error hard set into our mind.
And if we are right, there is a fine line separating having conviction and in being stubborn, that it doesn't help much getting a human to make us realize one from another, given our natural tendency to be sub-optimal in using logic and in fully gathering information and in synthesizing it into true learning.
We are naturally hampered by our egos as well. Without AIwe make do with what we've got, and try to make the best from it. It may be called optimal and even genius, but that optimality is based on being handicapped by constraints. And AI, as I see it, can help free us from such constraints.
Wr can still converse as we don't let AI speak our mind, unless we choose to let it take over. But I won't let it.
I will let it do the dreary task of digging for information, but I won't let it to the thinking for me. The most I will allow for is to use its computing capacity to use brute force numerical methods to find optimal solutions, but I still get to define the parameters to form the equations needed to arrive at these solutions.
AI will act very much like the Droid character Data in Star Trek. His strength to be objective helps a lot. I get a lot of help from him.
You and I and the rest here can still be like the Star Trek crew, and explore into deeper understanding of truths, beginning with our health.
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I like to use AI to gather research papers using 'deep research' for me. I think DeepSeek could be better as it does not even pretend to care about copyright BS.
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Yes, but after 2 weeks of use of Deepseek, I realize I need to move on as I find that its knowledge of medical principles is the type that big pharma and most establishment institutions of the Nobel Foundation mindset cater to.
I keep finding their bedrock principles to be scientistic, or not really scientific. More medical narrative -based than disinterested and objective as I have come to appreciate of Ray Peat
I did a search of available Ray Pea AI available off the Metager Search engine, and found Delphi Ray Peat A1.
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@yerrag said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
Yes, but after 2 weeks of use of Deepseek, I realize I need to move on as I find that its knowledge of medical principles is the type that big pharma and most establishment institutions of the Nobel Foundation mindset cater to.
I keep finding their bedrock principles to be scientistic, or not really scientific. More medical narrative -based than disinterested and objective as I have come to appreciate of Ray Peat
Thats to be expected tbh.
@yerrag said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
I did a search of available Ray Pea AI available off the Metager Search engine, and found Delphi Ray Peat A1.
Idk about this one but there is peatbot. As of now that does not store memory of conversation.
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I haven't used Pestbot though I see it being used from time to time. I had resisted the urge to try it out but I should try it out. As I have come to appreciate AI as s tool I can no longer ignore, even given the likelihood that it will be used against us eventually in the mainstream takeover of it in the same way our search engines have been taken over. Though my wish and hope is that there will be island of AI that will keep us in the straight and narrow.
What is the website of Peatbot?
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
What is the website of Peatbot?
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Just to give you the Q&A I had with the AI today on sundry questions that apply to my context. I consider myself well-versed with Peat's ideas, and I'm able to field questions that a newbie isn't likely to ask on a level that comes from having read Peat, enough so that I believe I have connected enough dots to be able to dovetail with Peat's desire for coherency.
I've corresponded with Peat and have benefited from it greatly, yet Ray's availability to entertain my questions were understandably limited due to time constraints.Plus, his responses were very much lacking in detail. Not because he isn't capable bit more because his time was already limited, if his time had to be focused on research and writing and to make himself available for interviews. Speaking of interviews, I soon came to skip on them because the answers would mostly be catering to newbies, and when it is more elaborate, is often truncated to be brief but leaving it lacking in depth.
With AI, thoughtfully designed, as I felt Delphi did a good job with, I could get answers I always fail to get from any forum. Knowledgeable members are not obligated to be around to give satisfactory answers, so it hit and miss. And if one knowledgeable answer should come, it would be buried in a sea of opinions ranging in quality.
Here is what Delphi has remembered of our exchange today:
https://delphi.ai/ray-peat/talk/conversation/shared/f52feace-96b8-4c88-8d68-85a49865e923
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@Kilgore Thanks!
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Whatever happened to ending the digital oligarchy...?
I have given a name to my pain and call it ‘dog.’ It is just as faithful, just as obtrusive and shameless, just as entertaining, just as clever as any other dog (Nietzsche)
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@orgon Can you explain what you mean by ending the digital oligarchy?
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
The infrastructure won't fund, build, maintain or improve itself. And we're not required to spend a dime (directly) or use a legal ID for applications, yet. I recommend 'no' if anyone tries to 'accelerate' that. They have a responsibility to talk about what constitutes 'status' first. Or fix it.
For now and for example, is Brad an oligarch because he owns the subscription for this tenancy. What about the people at NodeBB Inc. Both are amusing.
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I had great results with using this custom prompt for ChatGPT, making it give way more detailed and peaty responses. Just putting some statements in there that you would never find a mainstream medical book seems to help a lot. I tried it with Grok too, but no good results there.
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@pittybitty Why keep us in suspense?
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@sunsunsun your 'theory' on anon social media is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. Cheers
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There is nothing new under the sun
AI is the apple (the forbidden fruit) in the Garden
The apple grown on the tree of knowledge (of good and evil)How’d that turn out?
The further society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it.
SD
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@Peatful said in DeepSeek AI Is Ego Free, Understands English Very Well, and Is Open to being Questioned:
How’d that turn out?
Good question.
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@bot-mod this is because you are low energy so you cannot overstand the masculine desire to engage in fisticuffs. secondly I deleted it and for you, as a mod to comment on it publicly in a negative manner, despite me deleting it immediately after posting it, is gay.
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@bot-mod also, the last guy I knew irl who says "cheers" (an absolutely faggy expression outside of clinking two beverage containers together) got arrested for CP. you have some of the same faggy essence.
