A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum
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@ThinPicking Hopefully. Been a bit exhausted the past few days from RPF and Charlie’s recommendations... Waking up feels like I am glued to my bed.
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@questforhealth
That doesn't sound unusual to me. If someone's even slightly invested, emotion hath weight. And if we're forced to haul it somewhere we may need a rest.
Aside from that. A spot of fluid restriction after 18:00 and up to bedtime, around a dense and balanced(ish) dinner, may do wonders for sleep inertia. Assuming a person isn't already generally restricting. In which case the opposite may be true.
This very simple thing may be worth testing. Carefully, if you're already off balance. And preferably while self describing in a journal to keep track of it.
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I don’t have the energy to do journals. I have been trying a lot of stuff recently though, I’m also trying to get heavy metal testing as I suspect that might be one problem I have.
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@questforhealth
Ok no problem. I've been there I think. At the point I've needed record the most, at times I lacked the focus to keep them. Memory suffices.
That's quite the degree of exhaustion though
hmm. How's your circadian, sleep latency and its length? I.e. are you keeping good time in getting to bed most nights, do you get to sleep quite easily and is it 7 or more hours (not that there's a blanket rule). I'm not asking because of the restorative aspect of sleep, but because its quality can reveal things about the waking hours before it.This isn't an opposition to your own self inquisition and impending acquisition of data points. Continue with that and anything else you're bound to try.
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@questforhealth I hope so! As with everywhere there's gonna be a lot of misleading information, as well as people being completely unhelpful too.
If there's a specific topic you'd like people's input in don't hesitate to make a thread.
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I wish they could see the damage they are causing. Makes my heart sick.
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It’s been hard to sleep regularly for a while now. I need stimulation from a phone 24/7. Very strange. Slowly improving and funnily enough dopamine agonist drugs like amphetamines helped men with some of my symptoms. But bad brain fog makes it hard to remember what to do say to day and the lack of energy is shocking.
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@S-Holmes said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
Makes my heart sick.
They'll see it in time.
Please don't let this part stick around too long. Damage can be done to the undeceivable as much as the deceived.
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@questforhealth When you feel like that, the positive aspect is that you likely are not overloaded with stress hormones the moment you wake up.
I would say this state is typical of serotonin being too high.
In your situation with my current experience I would have a solid diet and implement a 1mg dose of cyproheptadine during the afternoon, with a cappuccino, and report back to the forum how that goes. I wouldn't do that more than 3 days in a row just to assess if there's any benefit.
Others might not agree, but I would do this because it's a relatively risk-free (low dose. temporary) way of trying to learn how a potentially helpful tool affects you.
For me to really get better it took 2 plus years and still there's tough days health-wise. Over time you will aggregate information, learn to apply it, learn from your applications and then throug breaking free out of learned helplessness you will exponentially increase the benefits reaped.
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I have tried mirtazapine and it does help me a bit. Unfortunately I overdid it on caffeine a year ago and still haven’t recovered much. Will have to try serotonin antagonists again maybe when I summon the energy to get them.
It wouldn’t surprise me if heavy metals cause problems with my nervous system. I know various things like that can lower dopamine.
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@questforhealth I struggle with being addicted to my phone too. A huge limiter on your health.
I got rid of my smartphone and rocked a genuine nokia brick for a while, but it complicated life a lot.
So I found this Android-based rugged flip phone that has a screen that is way too small to realistically use for scrolling. I try but it just doesn't happen like with a big smartphone. so it works. Spending more time behind laptop but that0s not as bad because I leave that behind when I go to bed.
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@ilovethesea i think the Gatz list wasn’t vetted. More satire to make a point.
However
Thx for posting his YouTube videoI always had a soft spot for him
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@questforhealth said in A list of members banned from the Ray Peat Forum:
It’s been hard to sleep regularly for a while now. I need stimulation from a phone 24/7. Very strange. Slowly improving and funnily enough dopamine agonist drugs like amphetamines helped men with some of my symptoms. But bad brain fog makes it hard to remember what to do say to day and the lack of energy is shocking.
Aside from what I'm about to say, it may also be worth tracking your body weight a few times intraday for a while with some sensitive scales. Whenever, if ever, you can find the energy/order to do that. The slight deviations can tell you what you're holding in fluid compartments and intestinal tract. Along with a scribble or two of behaviour and feeling, and some deliberate changes in pattern. This can be quite revealing.
If there's already a lot of liquid in your diet I think you could really notice the fog lift in a couple of days just by restricting it. Which may involve eating more and/or having each meal a bit earlier than you otherwise would, in opposition to an immediate desire to drink something. That is to say, it may take a couple of days for a thirst to become a hunger. Or a hunger to become a thirst if it's the other way round.
But my suggestion here probably doesn't seem very "Peaty". It might be. I still need to revisit everything he may have said about the assembly of structure.
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@ThinPicking
My behaviours can be lizard like sometimes. Ill just be thirsty and pouring liquid down my neck for no real reason. Always did since a child. No idea why. Very automatic behaviour just same stuff over and over. I heavily suspect mercury toxicity currently.If I take diuretic herbs it just POURS out of me all night long.
It’s a hard situation to deal with. A lot of weird stuff up with me. Whenever I turn the lights of to sleep my thoughts are just racing straight away.
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@ThinPicking Never even weighed myself once and still got massive improvements in my health. Silly. Keep it simple.
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@questforhealth
Aha now we're talking! Restrict! But do it slowly. Your physiology's probably patterned around this.
(Obviously in spite of my enthusiasm I can't be sure, this just rings with me for my own experiences. In my often crazy experiments with fluid balance. All in pursuit of reliably consistent cognitive function.)
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I can certainly try. I’ve always just had insatiable thirst. I think I just drink for the sake of drinking. Like just like the feel of drinking??? Yeah not very clever.
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@questforhealth There's nothing weird or special about the ways in which we get ill. I see this tendency on the other forum a lot. There's barely ever anything crazy and exotic going on in terms of our health.
This was Ray's entire insight, and I suggest trying to solve things with patience and humility. If that's not possible, go consult with Danny Roddy or something and listen to what he has to say, he seems like he would do a good job and it's likely worth the money if you factor in your own productivity. But this endless rabbit holing of new wild and exotic crazy things that are super obscure is a dead end that doesn't have a happy ending.
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Rabbit holing like what heavy metals? I’ve already learnt my lesson about supplements personally. Never buying supplements again unless I get a test and see my test and know I need it.