How do I get thin again, Peating fixed my health but made me put on a lot of fat
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@thyroidchor27 Nope. Ray said it wasn't. And it isn't. it can cause inflammation because it's not accompanied by the proper distribution of fats. Better to just have coconut oil, as Ray recommended.
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@The-New-Sun I wont Im a God I shouldnt be cursed with locomotion
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Ray Peat talks about people on 500-600 calorie diets preventing tissue loss by supplementing minerals (egg shell, baking soda, salt, sugar) -
@thyroidchor27 I don't know if it is for fat loss purposes, I would imagine so. I use it for fighting candida. If you read ray's article on coconut oil, he talks about the medium chain and short chain properties of coconot oil, which is the mct oil (c8 and c10). In my experience it works just fine for reducing inflammationi and fat loss, but could also be the other things I'm doing.
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@CO3 that is not what he said at all. What he said was that you can prevent stomach irritation if you take it with other foods. That doesn't say anything about how effective mct oil is. I can digest mct oil just fine and don't experience any adverse effects on an empty stomach.
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@Ruben Whatever you wanna imagine! He didn't take it, and it's irritating to the intestines. Fact
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@CO3 Nothing to imagine there, since he doesn't say what you attributed to him. The fact that it could be irritating to the intestine doesn't mean it doesn't work, they're still medium and short chain fatty acids which he wrote about. Since it could be irritating, you should get some food with it, that's all he said in that clip. If you have more evidence of Ray stating it doesn't work, I would like to hear or read it.
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Hardly anyone talks about this, but chew your food better. Aim for 35 chews per bite, and experiment even higher. So many benefits come from having a solid chewing practice. The slower you eat the better able you are to sense the leptin response, and the more you liquify your food the less work your stomach and enzymes have to do to turn the food into energy. In addition, chewing turns your food into liquid and will lower the chance of intestinal irritation and therefore serotonin. Since most of us in today’s world suffer from hypothyroidism, (which lowers stomach acid and decreases many of the enzymatic reactions in the body) chewing better can be a big help.
I read a book many years ago called The Power Eating Program which followed POWs from Vietnam who were underfed. Some of them somewhere along the way decided to chew single grains of rice 100 times so they could really savor what little they had. Those that did so survived despite near starvation conditions. The book is not bioenergetic per say, but it really stuck with me, and whenever my digestion seems off I make a point to start counting my chews for a while, (after a while you get used to the mouth feel of very well chewed food and you don’t need to count anymore).
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erm.. you guys are chewing your milk right?
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@evan-hinkle said in How do I get thin again, Peating fixed my health but made me put on a lot of fat:
Hardly anyone talks about this, but chew your food better. Aim for 35 chews per bite, and experiment even higher. So many benefits come from having a solid chewing practice. The slower you eat the better able you are to sense the leptin response, and the more you liquify your food the less work your stomach and enzymes have to do to turn the food into energy. In addition, chewing turns your food into liquid and will lower the chance of intestinal irritation and therefore serotonin. Since most of us in today’s world suffer from hypothyroidism, (which lowers stomach acid and decreases many of the enzymatic reactions in the body) chewing better can be a big help.
great post. mastication is extremely underrated and a potential cause of digestive issues, your mouth is a part of the digestive system after all. digestion starts with salivary amylase of which you can produce more of the more you chew, you can ostensibly chew something enough until its mostly liquid.
the downside is i find this to be a massive pain and its also disgusting. i eat mostly jasmine rice and chewing rice until its effectively a slurry multiple times a day is utterly vile. probably not so bad for other things, i find i have no qualms doing this with gummy candies for example.
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@Ruben Why even consider it though? It's literally in coconut oil.
"MCT, the part of the coconut oil that is more liquid, just a small amount of that can cause intestinal irritation and diarrhea in quite a few people. "
People are just addicted to spending money for what? the ease of it being liquid?
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@CO3 the point is that you don't get the other fats of the coconut oil, it's concentrated. I get your point, you shouldn't just buy every supplement. For fighting candida it has been shown that it is more effective than just coconut oil, so that's why I use it over just coconut oil. By using mct oil that contains c8 and c10, you can avoid c12 which has an adverse effect on fighting candida.
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Danny Roddy told me, and I’m pretty well convinced now, Until you raise your core temps and pulse, or otherwise fix the thyroid, nothing will work for weight loss.
I suggest reading Broda Barnes’ book to supplement thyroid RIGHT (I did it wrong off and on for a few years), or do a consult with Danny Roddy, or one of the bioenergetic helpline guys.
I’ve now lost around 20 lbs with almost no exercising, and eating the most calories yet in my life. It took like 5 months of thyroid tho… and it can stall easily if you’re dealing with stressors.
If you’ve got your thyroid functioning optimally, Check out Pavel Tatsouline, who Is the Ray Peat of resistance training.
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@AltarandThrone Pavel got me into kettlebell training, works wonders.
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@Ruben Pavel is
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@evan-hinkle thanks. I eat more than the Peaty amount of starch so this a great reminder. I should stop gulping solid food down
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@AltarandThrone May I ask what changes you made to your thyroid routine? I take t3 5mcg distributed throughout the day and t4 when I notice a stress response from too much t3
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@thyroidchor27 about 3mcg T3 with breakfast. And a quarter tab of Cynoplus with lunch and another with dinner, which is 7.5mcg T3, and 30mcg T4
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You amerishits rely way too much on this or that drug/diet.
t3 t4 is a supp, an in it supplements your normal diet.
Take up sprinting and jumprope in your routine, cut down on the starch bs and lose weight -
CICO matters. Ray seemed to agree with this as well, in one of the herb doctor interviews he told people to eat low-fat dairy to avoid the extra calories. He wouldn't have said that if he thought calories were a useless metric. There was some minority voices on the RPF talking about how CICO is dumb and that people should eating lots of calories to raise the metabolism or some shit. I always thought that was dumb, and I'm not sure where they got that idea because it didn't come from Ray.
Long story short, bring your caloric intake down. Focus on higher protein and higher calcium, both are thermogenic. Noting how important carbohydrate is, it would probably be best to cut the vast majority of your calories from fats. And a little exercise would help too. Not breathless exercise, but long slow walks, or lifting weights. Don't do the chronic cardio bullshit.
