How do I get thin again, Peating fixed my health but made me put on a lot of fat
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@Ruben ok I’ll try. The problem is I’m fat af so I can’t tell if I’m losing fat or not as results only show up last 8 percent bf ( 18 to 10). I have been getting great muscle mass and strength but weight on scale is stuck, so maybe I’m putting on muscle mass while losing weight which would be great. I also started working out a month ago and my face seems more defined but can’t tell changes in the physique as too much fat stored there
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@thyroidchor27 Do you take thyroid? It can take a while for your thyroid function to improve, but you'll want to lose the weight slow and steady for it to be a permanent change. I suggest safe heavy lifting, focus explosive movements, but not stress your body too much. You could also reduce inflammation by taking aspirin and/or focus of batteling water retention by upping you dopamine (which lowers prolactin). You'll need to rediscover how much food you really need for proper function, if you're not losing weight you probably eat too much and just cutting back a few hundred calories a day will make you lose the weight slowely while not getting a stress response from starving yourself.
edit: I see you take thyroid. It is important you take your thyroid 30 mins away from consuming coffee, because coffee will inhibit thyroid absorption. After I stopped doing this, I lost more weight at a faster pace. I would say focus on moving more, will make you feel better as well.
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@Ruben thanks I’m rn looking at fire in a bottle videos on fat loss . I am also considering going gelatin and skim milk making up most of my protein intake . I take t3 throughout the day so I don’t think the coffee would do much in that regard. I’ve also started taking low dose niacinamide as it has been shown to increase NAD plus. I’m hopeful it doesn’t increase NADH as well ( I don’t know how the mechanism works I hope someone like @Ecstatic_Hamster / @Amazoniac can clarify). I just read a study saying t3 browning of white fat is inhibited because resistance is built although I’m not sure how true that is and at what dosage. Apparently they used an adipose targeting peptide which reduced this inhibition and the combo produced much greater weight loss. I also walk a lot and enjoy lifting ( although higher reps as I’m restricted to dumbbells now but go to failure every time). One thing I need fixing is my dogshit sleep schedule I go to sleep around 4 am but get 10 hours. I don’t know how bad that is. I’ll be getting theanine soon which has also shown increase in BAT and modulation of gut bacteria towards anti obesity so that’s good. Stearic acid is also something I’m exploring.
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@thyroidchor27 sounds good. You could also consider taurine for better fat digestion. The niacinamide should be 4 times a day 30 to 50mg, according to Peat on a youtube segment. I notice I do better when I take enough zinc, I use zinc gluconate. I think getting some taurine while cutting back on the fat a bit is the way to go. I also like vitamin b1 (HCL), and mct oil (c8/c10) for overall energy and metabolism
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@GreekDemiGod I use Kuinone 2-6 drops everyday since a november but don't see changements (just my wisdom teeth erupting), especially on the weight balance. Is there something else that "activates" the k2 mk4? Usually I see calcium and d3, and I'm consuming a lot of raw milk cheese everyday. However my D3 levels are in the low range.
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@Ruben Thanks, Here is the study I was referring: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35470-4
Do you think MCT oil is vastly superior to coconut oil?
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20,000 steps a day, get moving fatso
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@thyroidchor27 Nope. Ray said it wasn't. And it isn't. it can cause inflammation because it's not accompanied by the proper distribution of fats. Better to just have coconut oil, as Ray recommended.
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@The-New-Sun I wont Im a God I shouldnt be cursed with locomotion
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@thyroidchor27
Ray Peat talks about people on 500-600 calorie diets preventing tissue loss by supplementing minerals (egg shell, baking soda, salt, sugar) -
@thyroidchor27 I don't know if it is for fat loss purposes, I would imagine so. I use it for fighting candida. If you read ray's article on coconut oil, he talks about the medium chain and short chain properties of coconot oil, which is the mct oil (c8 and c10). In my experience it works just fine for reducing inflammationi and fat loss, but could also be the other things I'm doing.
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@CO3 that is not what he said at all. What he said was that you can prevent stomach irritation if you take it with other foods. That doesn't say anything about how effective mct oil is. I can digest mct oil just fine and don't experience any adverse effects on an empty stomach.
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@Ruben Whatever you wanna imagine! He didn't take it, and it's irritating to the intestines. Fact
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@CO3 Nothing to imagine there, since he doesn't say what you attributed to him. The fact that it could be irritating to the intestine doesn't mean it doesn't work, they're still medium and short chain fatty acids which he wrote about. Since it could be irritating, you should get some food with it, that's all he said in that clip. If you have more evidence of Ray stating it doesn't work, I would like to hear or read it.
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Hardly anyone talks about this, but chew your food better. Aim for 35 chews per bite, and experiment even higher. So many benefits come from having a solid chewing practice. The slower you eat the better able you are to sense the leptin response, and the more you liquify your food the less work your stomach and enzymes have to do to turn the food into energy. In addition, chewing turns your food into liquid and will lower the chance of intestinal irritation and therefore serotonin. Since most of us in today’s world suffer from hypothyroidism, (which lowers stomach acid and decreases many of the enzymatic reactions in the body) chewing better can be a big help.
I read a book many years ago called The Power Eating Program which followed POWs from Vietnam who were underfed. Some of them somewhere along the way decided to chew single grains of rice 100 times so they could really savor what little they had. Those that did so survived despite near starvation conditions. The book is not bioenergetic per say, but it really stuck with me, and whenever my digestion seems off I make a point to start counting my chews for a while, (after a while you get used to the mouth feel of very well chewed food and you don’t need to count anymore).
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erm.. you guys are chewing your milk right?
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@evan-hinkle said in How do I get thin again, Peating fixed my health but made me put on a lot of fat:
Hardly anyone talks about this, but chew your food better. Aim for 35 chews per bite, and experiment even higher. So many benefits come from having a solid chewing practice. The slower you eat the better able you are to sense the leptin response, and the more you liquify your food the less work your stomach and enzymes have to do to turn the food into energy. In addition, chewing turns your food into liquid and will lower the chance of intestinal irritation and therefore serotonin. Since most of us in today’s world suffer from hypothyroidism, (which lowers stomach acid and decreases many of the enzymatic reactions in the body) chewing better can be a big help.
great post. mastication is extremely underrated and a potential cause of digestive issues, your mouth is a part of the digestive system after all. digestion starts with salivary amylase of which you can produce more of the more you chew, you can ostensibly chew something enough until its mostly liquid.
the downside is i find this to be a massive pain and its also disgusting. i eat mostly jasmine rice and chewing rice until its effectively a slurry multiple times a day is utterly vile. probably not so bad for other things, i find i have no qualms doing this with gummy candies for example.
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@Ruben Why even consider it though? It's literally in coconut oil.
"MCT, the part of the coconut oil that is more liquid, just a small amount of that can cause intestinal irritation and diarrhea in quite a few people. "
People are just addicted to spending money for what? the ease of it being liquid?
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@CO3 the point is that you don't get the other fats of the coconut oil, it's concentrated. I get your point, you shouldn't just buy every supplement. For fighting candida it has been shown that it is more effective than just coconut oil, so that's why I use it over just coconut oil. By using mct oil that contains c8 and c10, you can avoid c12 which has an adverse effect on fighting candida.
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Danny Roddy told me, and I’m pretty well convinced now, Until you raise your core temps and pulse, or otherwise fix the thyroid, nothing will work for weight loss.
I suggest reading Broda Barnes’ book to supplement thyroid RIGHT (I did it wrong off and on for a few years), or do a consult with Danny Roddy, or one of the bioenergetic helpline guys.
I’ve now lost around 20 lbs with almost no exercising, and eating the most calories yet in my life. It took like 5 months of thyroid tho… and it can stall easily if you’re dealing with stressors.
If you’ve got your thyroid functioning optimally, Check out Pavel Tatsouline, who Is the Ray Peat of resistance training.
