Experiments with transdermal hormones
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Your powder is bunk, indeed.
I guess I will send it off to Janoshik since it's probably important to know what I'm taking into my body with DMSO.
I found it strange that PPL had a message on their website saying not to test with Janoshik and anyone who posted results from them on a forum would be banned from buying again.
Guess I'll look elsewhere for raws.
Nothing strange about this, they just don't want you to claim a refund based on a testing piece of paper that could have been after you sending anything to Jano.
How can you prove to PPL you actually sent testosterone for testing and not sugar ? -
@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
"Slightly different characteristics" in that the DHT that PPL sent me is a lot more fine; it's almost like powdered sugar. The T base they sent me is definitely a larger particle size, not quite the size of granulated sugar but definitely not as fine as the DHT. If I touch the DHT powder it's fine enough to get into my fingerprint grooves, and needs to be rinsed off; whereas the T base is not and can simply be brushed off. So they definitely sent me two different substances. I can tell my looking at them and feeling them that they are not the same.
And there are plenty of people out there that have claimed to get bunk from PPL. And why wouldn't PPL send out a certain percentage of their shipments as bunk? Customers have no recourse. It's not like they can call the police about it. And anybody who complains about it on a forum is accused of posting a "fake review". PPL simply says that everybody is lying, which is very convenient.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
Slightly different characteristics ?
Based on what ? What you've read on forums ?These are two completely different hormones with completely different feelings, not "slightly".
I really wonder if you are for real sometimes
"Slightly different characteristics" in that the DHT that PPL sent me is a lot more fine; it's almost like powdered sugar. The T base they sent me is definitely a larger particle size, not quite the size of granulated sugar but definitely not as fine as the DHT. If I touch the DHT powder it's fine enough to get into my fingerprint grooves, and needs to be rinsed off; whereas the T base is not and can simply be brushed off. So they definitely sent me two different substances. I can tell my looking at them and feeling them that they are not the same.
And there are plenty of people out there that have claimed to get bunk from PPL. And why wouldn't PPL send out a certain percentage of their shipments as bunk? Customers have no recourse. It's not like they can call the police about it. And anybody who complains about it on a forum is accused of posting a "fake review". PPL simply says that everybody is lying, which is very convenient.
I order from PPL every 3 months since 2019 and send a sample everytime to Jano.
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@Santosh said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
I order from PPL every 3 months since 2019 and send a sample everytime to Jano.
Everything comes back at 98% purity.What I have very well could be pure. Maybe I just have very thick skin or something and it's hard to penetrate the hormone.
I will try my DHT with DMSO tomorrow and see if I notice anything with that.
Even if I don't "feel" anything, I will do blood testing since that is very easy and cheap for me.
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@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.
I have tried alphagels DHT in DMSO which gave me the most insane contact urticaria ive ever experienced. Like an allergic reaction that lasted for about an hour or two, made my skin lizard-like and stang like crazy. I dont know what quality DMSO he used but that reaction is enough for me to never try DMSO again.
So i couldnt really tell any effects from the DHT because of that reaction.
However QSC powder dissolved in 95 ethanol (managed about 35mg/ml, im getting anhydrous 100% ethanol soon which will give a better concentration) produced noticeable effects, like strong reduction in estrogenic libido, mental clarity, and a sense of calmness.
Also dry scooping 100-200mg powder and swishing/holding with some raki is probably very effective too because brought my strength back up to my previous peak after almost a month of no training, and definitely produces the same calmness effect. -
@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@pannacottas said in Experiments with transdermal hormones:
@Crypt-Keeper I've ordered dht base from QSC and had it tested at Janoshik, came back with 98%+ purity. Imo they are legit and they have better prices that PPL anyways.
Thank you. Have you tried DHT in DMSO? Do you feel anything? I also have some DHT from PPL (same shipment) which has slightly different characteristics to the T base so I might try it in DMSO to see if at least that is legit.
I have tried alphagels DHT in DMSO which gave me the most insane contact urticaria ive ever experienced. Like an allergic reaction that lasted for about an hour or two, made my skin lizard-like and stang like crazy. I dont know what quality DMSO he used but that reaction is enough for me to never try DMSO again.
So i couldnt really tell any effects from the DHT because of that reaction.
However QSC powder dissolved in 95 ethanol (managed about 35mg/ml, im getting anhydrous 100% ethanol soon which will give a better concentration) produced noticeable effects, like strong reduction in estrogenic libido, mental clarity, and a sense of calmness.
Also dry scooping 100-200mg powder and swishing/holding with some raki is probably very effective too because brought my strength back up to my previous peak after almost a month of no training, and definitely produces the same calmness effect.And you don't experience that peak strength with transdermal DHT ?
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@Santosh Not really, but because of the low concentration i didnt really bother applying much anyway. Im soon gonna try pure ethanol with 5-10% IPM which should allow for at least 50mg/ml and I'll see if it's as strong as oral.
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What formula is everyone using for DHT in DMSO?
I tried 50mg in 2ml DMSO and although it dissolved immediately, when I came back an hour later it had crystals.
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@brightside could T enathnate, propionate, or cypionate be used sublingually?
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It won’t work.
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@wester130 Only T undecanoate, which has worse absorption than oral T base if not taken with a fatty meal, and otherwise these two are the same. Both T and DHT can have good oral absorption despite what wikipedia and bodybuilders say.
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@Santosh do you mean 80% DMSO 20% Ethanol by volume or by weight?
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What about T undecanoate in vitamin E?
I thought the vitamin E acts like an ester and keeps absorption high, like itdoes for progesterone.
I am considering T undecanote, Vitamin E and a small bit of everclear in a 30ml bottle.
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@wester130 What is the point of T undecanote instead of just raw T spread throughout the day? Not sure how long the undecanote sticks around, in terms of half-life. I do think it'd be good to find an ingestible solvent for the oral route but not sure how much everclear you could consume without getting in trouble. T in oil will definitely have better bioavailability but not sure if you can use an alcohol solvent then wrap it in oil to make it even better. The raw powder sublingually is hard to hold in my experience; not sure how much can be dissolved by saliva anyway.
I keep reading in scientific places (Sigma-Aldrich, etc.) that T is soluble in vegetable oil but so far I haven't seen it in my experiments. Maybe a little bit but definitely not 100%. And I have read elsewhere that T is not oil soluble at all.
I finally got around to trying about 50-75mg DHT in DMSO and felt absolutely nothing. It's possible that I have retarded androgen receptors. Which would explain a lot of things.
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@Crypt-Keeper Many people don't feel anything from DHT
The point of using Undecanoate is to extend the half life.
The vitamin E solvent would also extend the half life.
Hormones dissolved in natural vitamin E travel on chylomicron droplets, which are not lost via the liver and kidneys. They can stay in the body up to 24 hours.
https://vitalhealthpharmacist.com/product.html?id=0a498e18-eb73-11e5-e8a3-a29a4f07b23a
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@wester130 I would like to do some experiments with Vitamin E oil also. My big issue is that to get a decent bolus of T / DHT I think you would need a lot of Vitamin E which I don't want to do. Especially if it needs to be dissolved.
Also, I am a little weird in the sense that I would really like to have T / DHT return to baseline by bedtime to see if it prevents shutdown. So the shorter half-life of non-esterified T is a bonus for me. Most people aren't concerned about this but it would be a nice-to-have for me. I don't need to have blasted hormones 24/7.
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@Santosh your comment about them being for real is a projection because i considered that about you when you refused to tell me what suchlabs product is bunk. in many of your posts you come off as chronically annoyed xD
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is Testosterone contaminated?
just a about 10mg of pure powder gave me a chemical brain fog
10mg of DHEA and pregnenlone powder individually does not
I don't think Testosterone is manufactured properly
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@wester130 What did it taste like?
