Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?
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@zawisza said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
@Peatly You're saying this as if incels didn't exist before random researchers, founded by glowies, decided to write papers about them.
Some things happen naturally; not everything is a CIA psyop.
Read these and tell me you don't smell a rat
The woman who founded the 'incel' movement
The Woman Who Accidentally Started the Incel Movement
What is an incel and what do they believe - as Canada adds the movement to terrorism list
Regardless of how the movement got started, the question we need to ask is why it became popular with young men. (BTW most men are not in this category). What is causing the mass poisoning of young people's minds, and body, that they turn in on themselves?
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@Him The incel ideology is in itself a form of learned helplessness
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Most of the men reading and posting on this site would and will be called "creepy incel weirdos" by neurotic feminist women regardless of our sex lives or social lives which alone should expose the true nature of the word and those who bear it.
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@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
Most of the men reading and posting on this site would and will be called "creepy incel weirdos" by neurotic feminist women regardless of our sex lives or social lives which alone should expose the true nature of the word and those who bear it.
Speak for yourself.
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@CO3 "Getting pussy" is such an arbitrarily valued status symbol that men will go out of their way to describe themselves as volcel, flaunt the times they did have sex, or otherwise prove to the longhouse that they are "well-adjusted" and don't deserve to be outcast as some "incel." The insistence with which men are desperate to avoid being called one only speaks to the sway it holds on them.
If you think women shouldn't be fornicating, you are incel. If you think therapy sessions and SSRIs are bad, you are incel. If you think your woman should be loyal to you, you will give her "the ick" and be an incel. If you display any characteristic that weirds her out, you are incel.
Now, I'm not doing some MGTOW "you gotta proudly adopt it!" schtick. But one should consider why the word is so stigmatized in the first place and the subsequent neurotic social demands that are kowtowed to when one affirms its stigmatization and desires to not be seen as one.
Trying to instead pin it on a group you can easily single out and exclude yourself from does nothing. Feministic women know exactly what they're doing when they utilize it. -
@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
Feministic women know exactly what they're doing when they utilize it.
Ditch a front and almost any man could have them ditching theirs and purring like cats within about 5 minutes. And tit for tat. Offence is always taken, never given. Painful as it can be for humans to get their heads or hearts around that, forget, and do it all over again.
"It's like this whole town. Big heads, small potatoes."
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/incels-a-result-of-technology.48094/post-860673
I like your self ID take in the third post. We should probably stop lying to eachother. Maybe then we'd stop identifying with lies. And go to God.
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If you give women an inch, they will take a mile. I don't need to argue this. This has been the case since the fall of Adam and Eve. By trying to control Adam, Eve seeded in all women the disposition toward controlling men. It grants them no peace even if we were to give in to whatever demands they make, it only feeds their particular disordered narcissism, and inflames the ego without any relief, causing them to be disappointed in the men, obedient as they might be in some cases.
I'm afraid uprooting this disordered behavior in their souls and restoring their proper spiritual disposition will be quite painful to them. This of course is not to say men don't also have spiritual disorders right now, but correcting the current problem requires men to tear down the conception of women that they subconsciously inherited from the feminist zeitgeist, which many are unwilling to do. -
Funny, I have not heard a woman, feminist or otherwise, use the term incel in real life. It seems to be a term that only exists on social media, for me anyway.
A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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getting pussy is absolutely the finest thing on this planet. It can be heaven. A stable relationship with lots of sex is key to happiness for a man.
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@Peatly This is true. While its frequency depends on the demographic you interact with, such as college-age women vs. middle-age rural Americans, I myself have only heard its use a couple times in my life.
There's one problem, however: The internet is more important than real life.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster You can be a vulgar hypersexual man if you want. I won't pretend it doesn't have its appeals. Although while to some it appears like inordinate gluttonous convulsion, to those of different temperamental taste they can make something cool of it.
But see to it that you do not reduce yourself to a pathetic knub of a man in the process. You almost have to consciously cultivate a womanizer identity similar to BAP or Andrew Tate in order to make it work. So many men will chase sex and, upon some meager morsel of female attention, convince themselves they are some EPIC virile bronze age sexor man, when in reality they are complete docile slaves to pussy and all the absurd modern hurdles and humilation it takes to get it.
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@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
@Peatly This is true. While its frequency depends on the demographic you interact with, such as college-age women vs. middle-age rural Americans, I myself have only heard its use a couple times in my life.
There's one problem, however: The internet is more important than real life.
Sadly, you might be right (for the young anyway). This will change
A successful depopulation agenda requires high excess death rates, lower birth rates and for the majority to vilify those that question it.
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@Peatly I am curious how much internet culture will bleed into real life as age demographics shift and old stock die off. Right now the most representation you get is fast food Twitter accounts posting viral ironic ifunny memes, or "Pokémon go to the polls"-tier politicians referencing something hip, at the suggestion of some media manager. Will this ever change? Will there be a point where a politician can talk casually about what video games they played, or what community they frequented, or will it always appear to be neutered and performive? Many factors at play when answering that question (the social hazards of most internet culture being just one example). I don't think incel or other "loner/loser" culture will be referenced by huge voices, unless it were in derision by some embittered communist feminist.
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Some very interesting questions in the @Tahodama. The internet itself is constantly in motion. A globulus mass without clear direction, growth or regression rate.
So it will be different inter and intra generationally. Meanwhile, people are tending to become wise to its nature and effect as they get older. Some tuning out, some doubling down, some taking breaks.
What the hell are we doing here. (With humour.)
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Very well written.
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@Tahodama said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
@Peatly I am curious how much internet culture will bleed into real life as age demographics shift and old stock die off. Right now the most representation you get is fast food Twitter accounts posting viral ironic ifunny memes, or "Pokémon go to the polls"-tier politicians referencing something hip, at the suggestion of some media manager. Will this ever change? Will there be a point where a politician can talk casually about what video games they played, or what community they frequented, or will it always appear to be neutered and performive? Many factors at play when answering that question (the social hazards of most internet culture being just one example). I don't think incel or other "loner/loser" culture will be referenced by huge voices, unless it were in derision by some embittered communist feminist.
The more people become disillusioned with MSM the more they gravitate toward alternatives on the internet. With the exception of those who use social media for business, the allure might diminish faster than older mediums did (fashion and gossip magazines for instance). People will still gravitate towards it, social media, during times of crisis but once the medium is completely controlled and manipulated by TPTB people will start to mistrust it. Perhaps, they won’t withdrawal entirely instead invent more intelligent, decentralised, ways to interact and navigate the social media terrain.
Politics will always be performative because it, and the politicians, are inherently corrupt. They have to be or else they wouldn’t be given a platform.
The voices of what you call “embittered communist feminist” are probably amplified by those who want us engaged in culture wars so we don’t notice they are robbing us dry. Why punch up when you can punch down? As for incels - the term is being weaponised and like other weaponised terms there is a shelf life.
It is also possible that I don’t have a clue because I am not a big fan of social media so I am hardly the best person to forecast its future.
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@Tahodama Didn't read your pathetic, sickening writings. I'm in a happy long term relationship with my future wife. You need to get your shit together.
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@Ray-Peat-Fanboy 90-90% is way too high an estiamte, probably closer to 30%
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Most men are incel nowadays. I would even say that its more rare to NOT be an incel than to be one.
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@Ray-Peat-Fanboy said in Is being incel the "new normal" in 2024?:
Would you say that 80 - 90 % (perhaps even 95 %) of men in the west are incel?
honest question: how would you guys even know? you don't interact with humanity. your experiences are not representative whatsoever. it's ridiculous. go outside.
