Revisiting Oral Testosterone
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@RFC32 Your reaction sounds more like enclomiphene which is known to damage eyesight, especially in DMSO
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@wester130 I have taken enclomiphene before and faced the eye damage and this is definitely different.
It is dry eyes, I have huge issues focusing my eyesight, my eczema also suddenly breaks out. If I take an antihistamine it keeps the eczema at bay but dries out my eyes further.
Enclomiphene gave me oily skin, but no energy or drive and I started seeing floaters in my eyes. The effects of sublingual testosterone were much more of what I’m looking for despite the side effects.
Enclomiphene effects also came on after a couple of weeks, even with the first dose of sublingual test in hbcpd I feel the allergies hit. It’s that dang hbcpd.
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@RFC32 what were the ingredients in the sublingual testosterone??
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@RFC32 for the love of God why would you essentially tease the success you had with sublingual T and not disclose the formulation
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@jamezb46 it uses hbpcd just like the other sublingual studies.
I don’t know these site rules but I do have a link to the seller, but it’s an underground overseas steroid lab basically.
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half lfie looks very short though, they never overcame this problem
I think vitamin E is the only thing that overcomes the short half life
off topic - they are making DMT sublingual with HPBCD
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@RFC32 @wester130 what are the pros/cons of vitamin e vs HPBCD ?
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@metabolicmilk said in Revisiting Oral Testosterone:
HPBCD
vitamin E hypothetically increases half life and total body absorption.
however - no studies on the internet exist of people doing testosterone base in vitamin EHPBCD seems to work and could help for about 6 hours, but still goes to the liver
this patent explains why steroids dissolved in vitamin e works so well
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN111529488A/en
also,
https://bioenergetic.forum/topic/1043/vitamin-e-as-solvent-for-hormones/4 -
@wester130 thank you!
And yes, half life is noticeably short, I peak after an hour and then the difference is noticeable after three hours.
It’s actually a problem as well, because you can’t load your dose up high or things feel awful fast when everything hits at once.
I am definitely allergic to hbcpd though which is unfortunate.
Edit: I want to add that the low half life of HBCPD with testosterone is well supported in literature. When they used it in testing they did 5 mg 3 times a day to get testosterone levels up to acceptable.
My assumption is with vitamin e we may be able to increase dosage and decrease frequency, or even do the same and see how it goes.
I know people in the forums were talking about how 1mg Ray would take seems way too little. But my experience with sublingual shows there is likely a large effect.
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What do you think the ultimate hormone stack ratio would be?
I think a solution of 4:3:3:1 of T:DHT:Prog:DHEA sounds good.
Also - What do you think about making a solution of 80:20 Vitamin E : DMSO
Just for better absorption and solubility of hormones.
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What are your favourite sources of vitamin E?
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@metabolicmilk said in Revisiting Oral Testosterone:
What are your favourite sources of vitamin E?
healthnatura
idealabs
cliganic looks interesting
now foods make a basic vitamin e that is acceptable
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Hey that’s my ratio
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I could not get vitamin E to mix with DMSO, I would not recommend this. Unless you’re talking about dissolving d-alpha tocopherol acetate in DMSO. That may well work, but according to Ray the acetate ester is about 50% as effective as the nonesterified tocopherols.
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If you’re going to go dmso just go straight dmso and apply on the balls. Otherwise tocopherol and ethanol sublingual seems best to me.
Testosterone has felt so much better to me than the other hormones to me that’s the ultimate one.
I avoid dmso because it makes my breath and sweat smell so my wife doesn’t like it. Also anything topical I worry about getting on my kids, especially if it’s in large amounts. Too easily to spill, get on clothing, or get on hands. I know dmso fully absorbs but I still have trouble trusting it, if my kids had hormonal issues from my experiments I’d never forgive myself.
I’m considering just injecting but my wife is against it. Managing estrogen is a pain but I’m willing to do it.
I will say pregnenolone and DHEA help my brain function a lot. Chess scores go way up as does mood.
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I tried an experiment to dissolve testosterone powder in NOW Vitamin E oil and even at 8 drops (1133% RDA of Vitamin E) I could not get 5mg of testosterone to dissolve.
My conclusion is that Vitamin E is not a practical solvent for testosterone ingestion.
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@Crypt-Keeper just 5ml of food grade ethanol mixed in would solve it
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@RFC32 Whats your pregnenolone dose, and source?
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@PrinceTrebata Be careful where you order from as my Pregnenolone and Progesterone was refused by Canadian Customs
I think if you order from Idealabs it will get through as I got my CortiNon (Progesterone + DHEA) from there with no issues.
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@Kilgore Thanks for the heads up! I live close to the border so I might set up a po box and and pick it up. I wonder why the Canadian government is so tight fisted about supplements.
