Losing weight as fast as possible
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@CO3 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
@Kilgore a deficit by definition will lower the metabolism and in the long term likely worsen the condition. Is this another thing you think Ray said?
Maybe I'm missing something but isn't a deficit necessary to lose body fat?
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@notmcas How much starch do you eat per day?
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@Crypt-Keeper how could hypothyroidism be necessary for weight loss? That's ridiculous
i mean it causes weight gain in the short run.... just like amputation.
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@CO3 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
@Crypt-Keeper how could hypothyroidism be necessary for weight loss? That's ridiculous
i mean it causes weight gain in the short run.... just like amputation.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of sarcasm and such. But I think everyone knows that BMR eventually goes down when calorie expenditure outpaces intake. There can be strategies to mitigate that, like calorie cycling or whatever, but at the end of the day there's no other way to lose body fat unless expenditure exceeds intake over a period of time.
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@CO3 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
Is this another thing you think Ray said?
Ray consistently stated in interviews inactive people should eat low-fat dairy because the extra calories from whole milk weren't needed. Ray never opposed the idea of people lowering caloric intake to lose weight. He did say hypothyroid women eating a 700 calorie diet or whatever couldn't lose weight based on a trial or study he was referencing. But the connotation he gave seemed to be highlighting the hypothyroidism more so than the caloric deficit.
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@Mulloch94 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
Ray consistently stated in interviews inactive people should eat low-fat dairy because the extra calories from whole milk
Cite it then!
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@CO3 No, I'm not going through hours of KMUD interviews to find a 20-30 second excerpt. If you're interested in hearing it look through RayPeatClips page. You should know this by now, it was discussed ad nauseam on the RPF for years.
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@CO3 You're in Luck, thank Brad for making Peatbot. This is one of them (there's more, he's said this multiple times across many different interviews), start at the 57:00 mark.
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@notmcas Just keep your carbohydrate and protein intake where it normally is, and drop about 200-300 calories from dietary fats. Even though you're in a deficit, the protein and carbs will keep your metabolic rate where it should be. Get vitamin D and eat plenty of calcium. Make sure you salt your food. Very often one can drop a couple hundred calories in a given day by just making a simple switch from whole milk to 1% milk. If you're not a milk drinker then find somewhere else to make that cut. Instead of eating 85% lean hamburger eat 93% lean hamburger. Skim the fat off your broths or soups, eat dry toast instead of buttered toast, etc.
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“Protein sparing modified fast” if you don’t care about long term health.
If you do, you’re gonna have to dedicated 2-4hrs of walking a day while going as low fat as possible. Sprinkle in some resistance training and you’re on your way.
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@Mulloch94 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
@CO3 You're in Luck, thank Brad for making Peatbot. This is one of them (there's more, he's said this multiple times across many different interviews), start at the 57:00 mark.
Are you stupid?
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@CO3 What part of that is confusing for you?
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@Mulloch94 FOR ME? You think Ray was advocating for calorie restriction based on him saying whole milk is not optimal and you're asking me what's confusing to ME? Waste of breath this conversation.
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@CO3 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
You think Ray was advocating for calorie restriction based on him saying whole milk is not optimal
Lets think back for a second, I know that requires brain power, so bare with me. But why was it Ray said whole milk wasn't optimal for some people again? The "why" and the "some" being key to unlocking this mystery here. Whole milk being not ideal for sedentary people (the some) because the excess calories could make them fat (the why).
You asked for it, I supplied it, and now you can't accept it? I suppose that's par for the course with modern day internet discourse. I must admit to a certain level of blame here myself. I, too, should've had the wherewithal to see this conversation was a waste. For a variety of reasons, not the least of which I already knew Ray's views on the subject matter. But more importantly, I should've realized internet keyboard warriors can never admit when they're wrong, and even when presented with facts as strong as gravity itself, they'll dig their heels in and remain whiny little bitches about it.
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@Mulloch94 said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
because the excess calories could make them fat
Excess calories can make people fat but that does not imply that calorie deficit makes people lose weight.
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@Mulloch94 Lol he was talking about whole milk though and not cherimoyas? You have to look at the whole context, not just hear one word you wanted to hear and jump up and down like 'teacher teacher he said the word look i'm right'
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@zawisza said in Losing weight as fast as possible:
Excess calories can make people fat but that does not imply that calorie deficit makes people lose weight.
Yes it does.
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@Crypt-Keeper If you're dumb and just reduce calories your metoblism will drop and your calorie "deficit" will be your new maintenance level.
