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    • NNightN
      NNight @LetTheRedeemed
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      @LetTheRedeemed

      "Consequently, the effects of B species deficiency in the microbiota could be: (a) dysbiosis, an alteration in the symbiosis between the human/animal host and the microbiota; in our opinion, this is due to the lack of B, which results in the deficiency of the AI-2B signaling molecule; (b) increased intestinal permeability (known as “leaky gut syndrome”) and translocation of the IM from the gut lumen to the systemic circulation due to the lack of B in the structure of the mucin gel. From mucin separation techniques, the interaction of B with glycosylation sites within mucins and O-glycosylated linear glycoproteins is well known. B deficiency thus determines the interaction of the bacterial biofilm directly with the membranes of the host cell and, therefore, the infection of the host."

      New Insights into Boron Essentiality in Humans and Animals

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      • yerragY
        yerrag @LetTheRedeemed
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        @LetTheRedeemed

        Good luck!

        It's easier said than done

        But we all have to face the problem personally to know what the task ahead entails. I said my piece already earlier.

        Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
        engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
        wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
        the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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        • DavidPSD
          DavidPS
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          The lympathic system requires movement to circulate the lympathic fluids. I have springtime allergies and use this massage to move the fluids in my sinuses. Here is routine that I use.
          Self Lymph Drainage Massage

          Obviously, the massage I use does not impact all of the lymph nodes in the body.
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          Alternatively, you might consider watching some dry brushing videos or bouncing on a rebounder.

          ““Effective health care depends on self-care” - Ivan Illich, 👀
          ☂️

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            LetTheRedeemed @DavidPS
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            @DavidPS nice. Thanks a ton! I’ll check it out

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              LetTheRedeemed @yerrag
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              @yerrag hey thanks for the comment prior! Apologies for not having responded. The acid/base balance reminds me of the value of urea that I should probably add back in to my regiment

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                LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                @NNight very interesting. Thanks. I’ll look more into boron dosage…

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                  A Former User @LetTheRedeemed
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                  if you dont care to mess with the antibiotic pills straight away, maybe try high dose k2 mk4 (15mg+ plus depending on your weight). iirc georgi said that k2 mk4 could be dosed equivalently to things like doxycycline etc for the antimicrobial effect. so maybe you could even try like 100mg of k2 mk4 a day. i take 20mg k2 mk4 off and on and it feels antimicrobial in the way it cleans out the gut everytime i restart it.

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                  • yerragY
                    yerrag @LetTheRedeemed
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                    @LetTheRedeemed

                    The use of urea internally only improves the liver, as past the liver it is metabolized. Moreover, urea does little to change the acid-base balance. Having acid base balance is largely a result of producing adequate amounts of CO2 as a product of mitochondrial metabolism. That goes to say that anaerobic glycolysis, which produces lactic acid, is minimized. Likewise with depending too much on fatty acid oxidation, which produces keto acids.

                    What can contribute to more acidity is how the body responds to toxins and infections, and in the intake of drugs, which is something a perfectly healthy body does not have to be burdened with.

                    What is normal and allowable is the intake of meat, which is acidic, but is something which the normal regulation of pH with the lungs and kidneys, is equipped to handle. Which would explain the urine being acidic during the day but becomes alkaline at night, as it is during the night that the body catches up with getting the acid-base balance back from the acidity incurred from eating meat.

                    Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                    engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                    wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                    the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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                      LetTheRedeemed @yerrag
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                      @yerrag interesting. I'm definitely eating things and supplementing things that should be promoting CO2 production and general pro-metabolic

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                        LetTheRedeemed @A Former User
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                        @noodlecat59 Oh cool. I'll definitely add that! about to make Georgi a rich man, lol

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                          Regina @yerrag
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                          @yerrag You should be a psychologist too. 😁

                          Would be the same advice for someone invaded with toxic people.

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                            LetTheRedeemed @Regina
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                            @Regina hahh

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                              LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                              @NNight nuts:

                              Haidut:

                              Boron is HIGHLY estrogenic. The bodybuilding community was crazy about it in the 1990s, but then they found out first hand that it raises estrogen (I think all 3 types) and dumped it. Boron has similar effects to cadmium, nickel, cobalt, etc and they are all estrogenic and carcinogenic in higher doses.
                              Peat is right that unless you are deficient you'd better not mess with it. See below for a study in men.
                              http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02785299
                              "...Supplementation with 10 mg B/d for 4 wk resulted in 84% of the supplemented dose being recovered in the urine. Plasma estradiol concentrations increased significantly as a result of supplementation (51.9±21.4 to 73.9±22.2 pmol/L;p<0.004) and there was a trend for plasma testosterone levels to be increased. However, there was no difference in plasma lipids or the oxidizability of low-density lipoprotein Our studies suggest that the absorption efficiency of B is very high and estimation of the urinary B concentration may provide a useful reflection of B intake. In addition, the elevation of endogenous estrogen as a result of supplementation suggests a protective role for B in atherosclerosis."

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                              • NNightN
                                NNight @LetTheRedeemed
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                                @LetTheRedeemed To be fair, boron is also testosterogenic.

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                                  LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                                  @NNight

                                  interesting.
                                  what do you think could be the mechanism? do you think it's actually just an increase of testosterone being aromatized?

                                  I'm also not beyond believing I could be deficient in it...

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                                  • NNightN
                                    NNight @LetTheRedeemed
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                                    @LetTheRedeemed
                                    I think it could be a good explanation.

                                    What's your diet like?

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                                      LetTheRedeemed @NNight
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                                      @NNight growing up was lots of raw veggies, got in to keto carnivore for a year and a half, then as close to Peat inspired diet as possible the last few years

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                                      • yerragY
                                        yerrag @Regina
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                                        @Regina you know the human condition hexed by ideas like love thy enemy and take up your cross lol

                                        Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
                                        engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
                                        wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
                                        the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter

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