Glucose loading cures everything?
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@S-Holmes that’s what I find so appealing about this idea of glucose. We all experience this kind of stress, and it really seems like, (whether we’re talking about physical, emotional, or psychological stress) the outcomes are the same. It’s all so rooted in Peat, and Selye, and their frameworks.
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@evan-hinkle It IS! Now if I can just figure out how to increase my amount to therapeutic levels. I'll be drinking syrup! No way could I afford that many glucose tablets!
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@Sunniva I’m using nutricost dextrose powder. I got the 5lb tub, but I think next time I’ll get the 10lb one.
Other than thyroid vitamin E and occasional vitamin K/aspirin I’m not taking anything else. For me, that’s pretty incredible by itself.
I had a period of about a week where I ran out of cynomel and the glucose still kept me sleeping very well, and feeling overall better than I would normally without thyroid.
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@evan-hinkle I take a boatload of supplements. I may cut back and see what happens.
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@Insomniac so I listened to this with a somewhat open mind, (unfortunately I can’t help but judge this particular guy when I see/hear him - just something seems off putting to me) but it seems like he hasn’t actually listened to Dr Stephens, and I say this because Dr Stephens intends glucose to be a temporary therapy. Once you correct the effects of a glucose limiting injury you stop taking glucose. In the video, Smith says, maybe temporarily glucose could have a positive effect, (like filling glycogen stores) but long term any sugar powder is going to be bad. It seems to me, that this is exactly what Dr Stephens is suggesting… indicating that perhaps Smith has not looked too deeply into it.
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The protocol has merit, and is ironically becoming a full circle moment for the RPF. Dr. Stephens and Ray are touching in the same idea but from different perspectives.
It’s odd nobody considered dextrose years ago instead of blowing themselves up on table sugar.
As for Garrett, that’s his canned response for new ideas unless you drown him with research papers like what happened with niacin. He’s established his ecosystem and isn’t going to upset the apple cart.
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@Jaffe I’ve been thinking the same thing. Like the elephant in the room is this is essentially Peat’s work with a minor nuance. Loading glucose instead of fixing oxidative phosphorylation so you can make glucose without gluconeogenesis.
FWIW, I always had trouble with digestion, and so it just makes sense to me to take glucose directly. Though like usual, I’m sure Peat’s approach is more appropriate and obviously respectful to the elegance of life.
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I also have a history of sports related head trauma, terrible digestion, random mood swings, sub clinical hypothyroidism. My early experience with dextrose has been very promising.
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
except that it sounds too good to be true
You have good ears in my opinion. Because it's manufactured by hydrolytic and enzymatic process. Although someone could make a case that extraction of sugar is similar. I wouldn't personally.
Honey contains it unbonded, but it's often if not always heavier in fructose. And other stuff.
I get the feeling something is underlying all of this. I think it's this...
@ThinPicking said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Which led me to think it might be osmotic.
Or rather, hydrodynamic.
But I would say that. I've occasionally schizo-posted about fluid dynamics for a while, and other people nudged me there. Maybe it's something else.
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Also Torrens posted this yesterday. And had posted previously an indication he had perspiration issues.
And sure enough...
https://www.google.com/search?q=epilepsy+fluid+balance+study
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@Jaffe said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
It’s odd nobody considered dextrose years ago instead of blowing themselves up on table sugar.
I think because Ray said that you should never take glucose without some fructose (was it because of the insulin spike? I cannot remember), so Ray advocated that sugar could be therapeutic but has never, as far as I know, advocated for using just dextrose/glucose. May somebody correct if I'm wrong about this.
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@Insomniac said in Glucose loading cures everything?:
Dextrose is cheap, easy and all my food tastes better. It even cures structurally damaged brains and has no downside at all except that it sounds too good to be true.
Missing/deformed tissue is a limitation. He makes this point in one of his presentations that’s been shared on RPF.
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I stole this gem from the RP forum. (Finally! A discussion I'm actually interested in over there.) Hope they don't mind.
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@S-Holmes If I tried to consume that much glucose eating other carbs and sucrose I would gain way too much weight. I'm reading that people are seeing their blood sugar levels drop while doing the glucose loading protocol. Very encouraging.
