Bioenergetic AI Labs: The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set
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@NNight For me personally it was not enough to fix my health, I became addicted to the knowledge and power it provides.
Also, it is more for researchers and people involved in the health field.
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@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:taking the legacy to a whole new level
No, this is not a new level, a stochastic parrot can't compare to Ray's in any way. He had a unique ability to comprehend and connect things/dots on a level unimaginable for an average human.
As wisely described by @ThinPicking above.I also have nothing against a smart search through Ray's archives, but an LLM can't give "answers" to naive folks and should not be advertised this way...
And if one thinks that LLMs are an advancement, it's also good to consider their cost and unintended consequences. More about it can be found here.
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@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:power it provides
Be careful with this notion my good man.
In the end we may discover a dormouse or a house cat knew the Truth all along.
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I quite enjoy listening to sales patter from Murati and Altman tbh.
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@ThinPicking
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@NNight said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:This is good science fiction.
Just a fantasy...
If you want a good sci-fi I can recommend a classic "Forbidden Planet" movie...
BTW What real science thinks about LLMs:
"We conclude that sensational and misleading claims about LLM agency and capabilities emerge from a deep misconception of both what human language is and what LLMs are." https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.08790 -
@ThinPicking Peat bot is great, I just take it to another level.
It is a tool to speed up research processes and that's all. It's not like you press Enter and it reveals everything to you, and of course a good researcher knows that everything needs to be verified several times.
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@NNight Who cares, the main thing is that it speeds up research processes for those who know how to work with it. Many people don't look at it correctly and miss the point
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@Kvirion You are looking to get smarter and I understand perfectly where these thoughts come from because I was there.
If you want to spread and expand the field of bioenergetics, this is the fastest way today.
As I already mentioned, this is mostly for researchers and not for people looking for an AI to tell them how to cure Hashimoto
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Sounds like a good idea to me. The way the former RP forum was set up, the information was all over the place. You had to go searching and searching and so much info. was contradictory.
I think all the RP info being in one place in a clear and concise manner would be good.
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@ThinPicking By power I mean that the more I learn and experience, I see the world in such a way that almost nothing can affect me negatively or frighten me, I learn to accept everything
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@Amethyst Right. And it goes much deeper than Ray Peat. This makes it possible to quickly start connecting all the relevant dots from the basic bioenergetic approach.
I understand that there are also people who have studied for many years the knowledge of Ray Peat and relevant knowledge and they are also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time it took them.
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@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time
LOL! This advertisement is getting embarrassing...
A living person can add context to a situation to reinterpret it, synthesize opposing views, etc. LLMs can't.
BTW
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@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:nothing can affect me negatively or frighten me
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I personally don't think Ray means digital culture to mean anything that has to deal with the physical machinery that processes information that attempts to do better than the brain does. It means the change in society where we lose our ability to use our mind creatively to solve problems and to bring us to a higher level of refinement and understanding by surrendering our mind to having it replaced by artificial intelligence, which would make us less capable by failing to exercise our mind, and by disuse we forfeit our ability to develop wisdom, which comes with our attachment to the spiritual nature in us.
Already we see this at play in masterpieces that are never equalled in contemporary times. Paintings. Architecture. Music. Classical works in literature. But this may be a debatable point.
But can we compute with our minds when we had no calculators nor computers as our parents did? Can we use our minds to approximate or are we now held captive to precision that requires a digital instrument. Think about a billiard pro or a golf pro or a Steph Curry. Do they approximate or do they digitally triangulate for precision?
A lot of our thinking is an endless labyrinth of approximation at play. It is an endless connecting of dots where we use our faculties of reason and logic . When we spot a fake in an artwork or in Grecian sculpture, we use our senses. When we find faults in logic, we rely on our minds even though we can't really put in words why we think the logic is flawed, although the rules of logic have been figured out already though we haven't come across them.
If you know Ray, and I don't claim to know him that well, I think it is enough to know him as not being of the Luddite variety of preferring tablets over paper, or of horses over cars, nor of typewriters over word processors, nor of an abacus over a Casio calculator. I don't even think he would object to AI over pre-AI computing. Especially where it comes to helping us sort thru the falsehoods where we face the prospect of being overwhelmed by propaganda by the powers that be that already make me feel that at least half of what I believe is true is false.
If you use AI for bringing light to where there is darkness, it is only long overdue and not a moment too soon, for we can be sure that your AI machine is only attempting to at most achieve parity with the AI mega monstrosities out there, in the hands of the evil empire at large, who would use AI in the worst way possible- to give us bliss through ignorance.
Yes, if Peat were alive, I believe he would bless your efforts and wish you Godspeed. For having a foundation of truth is where we can start to fight digital culture and thus continue to fight to end oligarchy.
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@yerrag said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:I personally don't think Ray means digital culture to mean anything that has to deal with the physical machinery that processes information that attempts to do better than the brain does. It means the change in society where we lose our ability to use our mind creatively to solve problems and to bring us to a higher level of refinement and understanding by surrendering our mind to having it replaced by artificial intelligence, which would make us less capable by failing to exercise our mind, and by disuse we forfeit our ability to develop wisdom, which comes with our attachment to the spiritual nature in us.
Already we see this at play in masterpieces that are never equalled in contemporary times. Paintings. Architecture. Music. Classical works in literature. But this may be a debatable point.
But can we compute with our minds when we had no calculators nor computers as our parents did? Can we use our minds to approximate or are we now held captive to precision that requires a digital instrument. Think about a billiard pro or a golf pro or a Steph Curry. Do they approximate or do they digitally triangulate for precision?
A lot of our thinking is an endless labyrinth of approximation at play. It is an endless connecting of dots where we use our faculties of reason and logic . When we spot a fake in an artwork or in Grecian sculpture, we use our senses. When we find faults in logic, we rely on our minds even though we can't really put in words why we think the logic is flawed, although the rules of logic have been figured out already though we haven't come across them.
If you know Ray, and I don't claim to know him that well, I think it is enough to know him as not being of the Luddite variety of preferring tablets over paper, or of horses over cars, nor of typewriters over word processors, nor of an abacus over a Casio calculator. I don't even think he would object to AI over pre-AI computing. Especially where it comes to helping us sort thru the falsehoods where we face the prospect of being overwhelmed by propaganda by the powers that be that already make me feel that at least half of what I believe is true is false.
If you use AI for bringing light to where there is darkness, it is only long overdue and not a moment too soon, for we can be sure that your AI machine is only attempting to at most achieve parity with the AI mega monstrosities out there, in the hands of the evil empire at large, who would use AI in the worst way possible- to give us bliss through ignorance.
Yes, if Peat were alive, I believe he would bless your efforts and wish you Godspeed. For having a foundation of truth is where we can start to fight digital culture and thus continue to fight to end oligarchy.
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Nor has my first point been addressed satisfactorily
His data is “all over the place”; because Peat never told one what to do; what to think
He wanted us to think for ourselves
Using AI is the antithesis of his personhood imo
However
Great business idea to maximize on a prophet /genius of a man….One act of obedience is better than one hundred sermons.
-DB
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@sharko
Why would they be afraid of other people aquiring Ray Peat knowledge? Because they wouldn’t be able to profit off of it knowing others knew what they knew? Is that what you mean? -
@sharko said in Bioenergetic AI Labs
The future of Ray Peat's legacy is already set:I understand that there are also people who have studied for many years the knowledge of Ray Peat and relevant knowledge and they are also a little afraid that other people will acquire this knowledge and even more, in 1/1,000 of the time it took them.
Honestly man I sincerely doubt the afraid part of that. If they've assembled a piece or a whole of the biscuit they probably needed some heart and humour to do it. And some of that probably rubbed off from Ray. Seems likely to me the only thing they'll fear is someone trying to distort the opportunity for others so they can make it appear 'proprietary' and monetise on that basis. Which no one (I've seen) having some success in this 'space' is doing. Because it's all replicable, except the conduct and personality of a person currently doing it.
(This is not anti IP propaganda generally. I just think 'health' ought to be open source-ish.)
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I see no harm to myself when I try to consolidate the "data all over the place" in Ray's writing over the years - by using a search engine in my cellphone to search thru his writings, by keyword searches, when I cannot yet read all that he has written, in my attempt to get useful snippets of his mind to, to gain a better understanding of a problem that confronts me, with respect to my health, so that I can connect the dots, and from this research, I can come up with a plan of action to improve my health.
Does using a search engine constitute a violation. against your idea of fighting digital culture as much as you abhor the use of AI? Do you think you would fall to the trap of not having to think when you use AI? Or are you free to choose to think, perceive, and act better when you have more quality information to work with?
When we can solve our own problems than rely on some spell that controls our minds to make us think we are thinking but are just echoing ideologies inculcated to us by the powers that be, aren't we individually breaking free of the mind control, and when we find among us similarly disposed souls, and work together, are we not closer to Ray's first goal of ending the oligarchy?
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The way I personally approach “Ray Peat” eating is use what works for you and throw out the other stuff.
I’m finding tremendous benefit from adding collagen/ certain amino acids. I have Ray Peat to thank for that.
Just like I did with other eating approaches. I like Ray’s approach in that he didn’t demonize carbohydrates like the keto diet does. Now the ketoians are coming around to adding carbs. So go figure. Soon they won’t even be Keto anymore.
The hormone/pregnenolone/ progesterone thing that Ray endorsed did not work for me. Really threw my body off so I stopped it.
To me:
- Just eating all low carb, or no carbs = unhealthy. Screwed up my sleep. Your brain needs sugar/ carbs to sleep properly. A tbsp. of honey to me is the perfect sleep food. And glycine/ taurine throughout the day.
Taurine has me sleeping like a baby. - Just eating all carbs = unhealthy
- Just eating all fat or too much fat =unhealthy
- Just eating simple sugars all day ( like it seems a lot of peatians were doing) = unhealthy
- Just eating all vegtables ( aka vegitarian diet) = unhealthy
6)Pufas…soy, canola, corn etc= unhealthy
7)butter, coconut oil, lard etc. = healthy IN MODERATION
*7) the thing I get out of all the info is that BALANCE is the key. For me anyway. In other words, it’s ok to have “some” carbs, “some” healthy fats, “some” protein ( i tend to eat a little higher protein now) “some” veggies, “some” fruit, “some” simple sugars, “some” exercize ( but not strenuous all the time which stresses the body and contributes to serotonin)
But eating just “one” way, and saying it is the ONLY way, in my opinion, is a recipe for disaster. Of all the approaches of eating and lifestyle, Ray Peats ideas seem the most open minded.
If people can get back to a common sense approach with food, exercize, lifestyle choices, we all might be a little healthier. In my humble opinion.
- Just eating all low carb, or no carbs = unhealthy. Screwed up my sleep. Your brain needs sugar/ carbs to sleep properly. A tbsp. of honey to me is the perfect sleep food. And glycine/ taurine throughout the day.
