Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine
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@Sugarnotsnow said in Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine:
@LetTheRedeemed Nice, I think more people should try this approach. I think a lot of people have trouble with peating because they ignore macros and end up with a high carb, high fat, AND high protein diet. I think focusing on sugary carbs while keeping protein and fat moderate throughout the day would solve issues for some
I think blending macros to your context is going to help more.
If you ever recall member Cirion at RPF, who suddenly dropped out of the forum ( not banned, so he may have died or may have become so frustrated that he just ghosted himself) he was going extremely hi carb and low protein and fat (relative to carb) and he kept gaining weight and kept hoping for the moment things would turn around, and it never did.
He would be better serves had he lowered his carbs, and increased his protein and fats, as he wasn't metabolically fit enough to burn carbs efficiently as you or I would. Eating much more protein would slow down his digestion and slow down the assimilation rate of sugar from a deluge to long trickles to keep him from sugar highs and from being exhausted of sugar too quickly.
Understanding where one is on his ability to metabolize sugar efficiently is needed to be able to allow one to manage his poor blood sugar control by tweaking the blending of macros. As getting one to have a stable and normal blood sugar is going to help one turn oneself from being metabolically unfit to becoming fit. One does not becoming metabolically fit overnight by forcing oneself to emulate metabolically fit people like Danny Roddy when one isn't. And that was Cirion's mistake and those who take the same road he did would end up none the better, nor wiser.
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@yerrag Yea this is another reason I think "peating" doesnt work for a lot of people. They will try to lose weiight assuming eating prometabolic means you can automatically eat more and burn more calories. The problen is most these people are metabolically unhealthy and wont fix their problem overnight by chugging sugar, juice, soda and milk. They end up gaining more weight
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@josh If I remember correctly, t4 in the morning is generally a bad idea. If you are already following a protocol of t3 at breakfast, t3+t4 at lunch, and t3+t4 at dinner, and getting stress responses, it could simply be too much for right now.
In case you didn't find it yet, this video of Danny's should give you all you need to know, short of a consultation:
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Yes, and they are lost. And their inability to transition from unhealthy to metabolically fit is a challenge. There is a way out of that, but unfortunately experts people look up to in the bioenergetic space offer no guidance. Danny Roddy and Ray Peat have always been normal and thin and metabolically fit, and dont have the benefit of experiencing the transition, haidut has always been on the overweight side and can't be a guide, and the people who offer guidance in the bioenergetic sphere are mostly armchair and theory.
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@yerrag Ray may have always been thin but that doesnt mean he was always metabolically healthy. He was hypothyroid for a good portion of his life and i believe so was danny after trying carnivore.
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@Sugarnotsnow
That may be the case with them, but they were probably neither overweight nor obese. I didn't correspond with Danny, but I did with Ray. I asked if he could devote a newsletter on how to become metabolically healthy coming from an overweight/diabetic/metabolically challenged state, and he had no answer to that.
But Ray was right on point about needing to go cold turkey on PUFA for 4 years on the way to metabolic health. That probably imho id the single best thing one can do, if not for members in the RPF that kept entertaining the thought of cutting corners that dissuaded members from going on that long process. Most members are not the long journey turtle type. Most are the jackrabbit stumbling type.
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@yerrag Yea most people dont want to hear that they need years and years to heal their metabolism. They want to know a quick fix, a fad diet, something that will make them keep of the pounds fast. But thats just not realistic.
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@Sugarnotsnow
Yet most if not all of my successes in health improvement are of this long drawn out type. It pays to know what you are doing so you have the confidence to bear it out thru the long haul.
Time goes by quickly though when you are busy, and it is harder when you weigh yourself every day when you want to lose weight. But when you approach it like zen, you don't have to sweat it out. It will just come.
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@yerrag That last paragraph is perfectly said. In my experience hyperfixating on weight loss and thinking about it every single day is a recipe for disaster. When you dont focus on it so much and get a good routine going its quite simple to get to a healthy weight.
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@Sugarnotsnow
When you have a good coach, and Ray had been s very good coach.
Otoh, when you are like my eldest sister, who insists on following Youtube experts, it will be hard slogging through. It's always about getting there, where there is infinity. The breakthrough is around the corner, and this is the moment, finally - not!
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Control pause gets worse within 10 or 15 minutes of eating anything, especially protein, and especially foods you aren’t tolerant of. The CP diminishes for 3 or so hours. I have heard it has to do with ions soaked up in the process of creating hydrochloric acid for stomach digestive stage, and these ions are then picked back up into the body. I doubt this is the best explanation but it kind of explains why meat lowers CP more than eating fruit does.
It does not explain the food intolerance part.
As far as the Ray Peat diet (whatever that is) resulting in weight gain I find that when I limited sugar consumption and consumed more starch, I was able to easily lose body fat. That is the way most of the thin world eats.
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Thankyou! @LetTheRedeemed
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That is why I love my squid and eggs
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine:
Control pause gets worse within 10 or 15 minutes of eating anything, especially protein, and especially foods you aren’t tolerant of. The CP diminishes for 3 or so hours. I have heard it has to do with ions soaked up in the process of creating hydrochloric acid for stomach digestive stage, and these ions are then picked back up into the body. I doubt this is the best explanation but it kind of explains why meat lowers CP more than eating fruit does.
It does not explain the food intolerance part.
As far as the Ray Peat diet (whatever that is) resulting in weight gain I find that when I limited sugar consumption and consumed more starch, I was able to easily lose body fat. That is the way most of the thin world eats.
Thanks @Ecstatic_Hamster i missed this earlier! Iv always noticed an initial lessening of symptoms immediately after eating i think from the pleasure of it, then followed by a worsening of symptoms about 30mins later as energy is taken for digestion. Interesting to see how this patches in with cp!
