Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine
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Thanks @LetTheRedeemed im an avid listener of danny, jay and mike and so will go back through especially dannys recommendations on thyroid. I didnt know t4 directly suppressed adrenaline, i was aware you had to be careful that t4 didnt induce a high parathyroid state induced by stress and liver over whelm. that was my initial reason taking t3 to balance t4. I still take t4, and can see from pulse that in the morning t4 conversion is blocked by stress hormones. The sooner i can lower my stress response in the day the sooner my pulse shoots up from i guess an almost backed up t4. I wonder if the reason t4 doesnt tend to work well for some one its own is their stress levels are just too high to convert, and they need the t3 to prime the system. Maybe when someone is suffering fatigue but their stress response is ok, they would be ok with high t4 and low t3 ratio. Anyway, i definitely found benefit adding adrenaline lowering substances with t4 to enable the body to convert.
To throw an added spanner into the mix ive been weening myself off ssri’s which i was given during my health crisis two years ago and i didnt know any better. Im down to 5mg from 50mg sertraline, but who knows what hormonal carnage thats been causing, and think is a contributor to my morning stress problem. At some point i want to try cyproheptadine to see what the other side of the coin feels like but steady does it!
Totally agree @Sugarnotsnow @LetTheRedeemed my body craves sugar in the morning so i dont hold back. I think its quenching the stress response and allowing superior metabolic function to resume. Protein and fat to early just gives the body more work to do.
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List of things mentioned in this thread
increase co2:- acetazolamide
- baking soda
- bottle rebreather
- milk jug rebreather
- buteyko
- blanket fort
- bag breathing
- higher elevation
- co2 bath
- carbogen
- b1
- mouth taping
- air hunger
Personally i would add sparkling water / carbonated beverages.
breakfast for dinner enjoyer
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aspirin and progesterone, and from my experience iodine.
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@Chud sugar
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Some foods that you eat will lower your carbon dioxide levels.
Professor Buteyko used a control pause to determine how much carbon dioxide you're retaining in your body.
The control pause correlates well with a difficult test that can only be done in a hospital that measures carbon dioxide in arterial blood.
So I can tell with my control pause if foods are lowering my carbon dioxide levels.
Protein does lower it somewhat, but also foods that I don't tolerate well lower it quite a bit.
If you're not tolerant of a food, your control pause really drops, meaning your carbon dioxide levels drop when you consume that food.
Foods that are easiest on carbon dioxide levels or that support higher levels are anything with sugar and starch.
Protein generally burdens our carbon dioxide levels, and any food we don't tolerate well lowers carbon dioxide.
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@Ecstatic_Hamster yeah thats really interesting regarding the change in your control pause length based on different foods. So co2 levels in your body fluctuate quite rapidly, how long does it take to react after eating? And how long does it last.
I notice after 20mins in a co2 bath my stomach starts gurgling, i wonder is this the time it takes for the co2 to reach the cell and improve the oxygen exchange, therefore improving metabolism and lowering sympathetic activation.
It would be interesting to to understand the timing differences between:
- eating co2 promoting foods
- co2 baths
- carbonated drinks
- b1 and other supplements
- carbonegen and paperbag
What one would be the fastest to the slowest? From this maybe you could help moderate your co2 over 24hrs. For instance, a supplement at bed with a co2 bath for a more longer lasting experience, and a carbonated drink in the morning to get your levels up quickly.
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@Sugarnotsnow said in Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine:
@LetTheRedeemed Nice, I think more people should try this approach. I think a lot of people have trouble with peating because they ignore macros and end up with a high carb, high fat, AND high protein diet. I think focusing on sugary carbs while keeping protein and fat moderate throughout the day would solve issues for some
I think blending macros to your context is going to help more.
If you ever recall member Cirion at RPF, who suddenly dropped out of the forum ( not banned, so he may have died or may have become so frustrated that he just ghosted himself) he was going extremely hi carb and low protein and fat (relative to carb) and he kept gaining weight and kept hoping for the moment things would turn around, and it never did.
He would be better serves had he lowered his carbs, and increased his protein and fats, as he wasn't metabolically fit enough to burn carbs efficiently as you or I would. Eating much more protein would slow down his digestion and slow down the assimilation rate of sugar from a deluge to long trickles to keep him from sugar highs and from being exhausted of sugar too quickly.
Understanding where one is on his ability to metabolize sugar efficiently is needed to be able to allow one to manage his poor blood sugar control by tweaking the blending of macros. As getting one to have a stable and normal blood sugar is going to help one turn oneself from being metabolically unfit to becoming fit. One does not becoming metabolically fit overnight by forcing oneself to emulate metabolically fit people like Danny Roddy when one isn't. And that was Cirion's mistake and those who take the same road he did would end up none the better, nor wiser.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag Yea this is another reason I think "peating" doesnt work for a lot of people. They will try to lose weiight assuming eating prometabolic means you can automatically eat more and burn more calories. The problen is most these people are metabolically unhealthy and wont fix their problem overnight by chugging sugar, juice, soda and milk. They end up gaining more weight
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@josh If I remember correctly, t4 in the morning is generally a bad idea. If you are already following a protocol of t3 at breakfast, t3+t4 at lunch, and t3+t4 at dinner, and getting stress responses, it could simply be too much for right now.
In case you didn't find it yet, this video of Danny's should give you all you need to know, short of a consultation:
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Yes, and they are lost. And their inability to transition from unhealthy to metabolically fit is a challenge. There is a way out of that, but unfortunately experts people look up to in the bioenergetic space offer no guidance. Danny Roddy and Ray Peat have always been normal and thin and metabolically fit, and dont have the benefit of experiencing the transition, haidut has always been on the overweight side and can't be a guide, and the people who offer guidance in the bioenergetic sphere are mostly armchair and theory.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag Ray may have always been thin but that doesnt mean he was always metabolically healthy. He was hypothyroid for a good portion of his life and i believe so was danny after trying carnivore.
The earth speaks to us all, Just listen
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That may be the case with them, but they were probably neither overweight nor obese. I didn't correspond with Danny, but I did with Ray. I asked if he could devote a newsletter on how to become metabolically healthy coming from an overweight/diabetic/metabolically challenged state, and he had no answer to that.
But Ray was right on point about needing to go cold turkey on PUFA for 4 years on the way to metabolic health. That probably imho id the single best thing one can do, if not for members in the RPF that kept entertaining the thought of cutting corners that dissuaded members from going on that long process. Most members are not the long journey turtle type. Most are the jackrabbit stumbling type.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag Yea most people dont want to hear that they need years and years to heal their metabolism. They want to know a quick fix, a fad diet, something that will make them keep of the pounds fast. But thats just not realistic.
The earth speaks to us all, Just listen
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Yet most if not all of my successes in health improvement are of this long drawn out type. It pays to know what you are doing so you have the confidence to bear it out thru the long haul.
Time goes by quickly though when you are busy, and it is harder when you weigh yourself every day when you want to lose weight. But when you approach it like zen, you don't have to sweat it out. It will just come.
Temporal thinking is the faculty that’s
engaged by an enriched environment, but it’s
wrong to call it “thinking,” because it’s simply
the way organisms exist... - Ray Peat Nov 2017 Newsletter -
@yerrag That last paragraph is perfectly said. In my experience hyperfixating on weight loss and thinking about it every single day is a recipe for disaster. When you dont focus on it so much and get a good routine going its quite simple to get to a healthy weight.
The earth speaks to us all, Just listen
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When you have a good coach, and Ray had been s very good coach.
Otoh, when you are like my eldest sister, who insists on following Youtube experts, it will be hard slogging through. It's always about getting there, where there is infinity. The breakthrough is around the corner, and this is the moment, finally - not!
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Control pause gets worse within 10 or 15 minutes of eating anything, especially protein, and especially foods you aren’t tolerant of. The CP diminishes for 3 or so hours. I have heard it has to do with ions soaked up in the process of creating hydrochloric acid for stomach digestive stage, and these ions are then picked back up into the body. I doubt this is the best explanation but it kind of explains why meat lowers CP more than eating fruit does.
It does not explain the food intolerance part.
As far as the Ray Peat diet (whatever that is) resulting in weight gain I find that when I limited sugar consumption and consumed more starch, I was able to easily lose body fat. That is the way most of the thin world eats.
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Thankyou! @LetTheRedeemed
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That is why I love my squid and eggs
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@Ecstatic_Hamster said in Ideas for getting more CO2 into your everyday routine:
Control pause gets worse within 10 or 15 minutes of eating anything, especially protein, and especially foods you aren’t tolerant of. The CP diminishes for 3 or so hours. I have heard it has to do with ions soaked up in the process of creating hydrochloric acid for stomach digestive stage, and these ions are then picked back up into the body. I doubt this is the best explanation but it kind of explains why meat lowers CP more than eating fruit does.
It does not explain the food intolerance part.
As far as the Ray Peat diet (whatever that is) resulting in weight gain I find that when I limited sugar consumption and consumed more starch, I was able to easily lose body fat. That is the way most of the thin world eats.
Thanks @Ecstatic_Hamster i missed this earlier! Iv always noticed an initial lessening of symptoms immediately after eating i think from the pleasure of it, then followed by a worsening of symptoms about 30mins later as energy is taken for digestion. Interesting to see how this patches in with cp!
